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Biggest problems with this proposal (which has already been posted to death) is; Simply tying sov to moons still only allows no-one but the biggest alliances to hold sov and moons of any consequence.
There are nearly as many money moons (can't just do this for R64's, has to be ALL moons) in lowsec as there are in nul and you can't just remove them.

I do agree it needs to be made harder for the big alliances to keep their moons but tying them to sov is not a solution. This would be especially bad under the proposed sov changes. All a large alliance or coalition would need to do is hold sov by camping 1,000 or 2,000 members in the constellation.
As it is now, there is a chance to take a moon if you have the numbers and will to do so because most money moon systems have no-one living in them but if there are 2,000 players living in the system only a determined group of 4,000 or 5,000 is going to take it from them.


CCP is doing no-one any favors with this "players are mushrooms" attitude and if they want players to get behind them and support the game so many of us love, they need to be more forthcoming with plans and how they are communicated to players.
All we got was a poorly thought out blog with a feedback thread with a promise of more information to come in a few days. A week later there is NO response from CCP at all.
Not even so much as a "we are following the thread" or "sorry but Fozzie, blah blah bull crap, so can't post the followup threads he promised.

Leads one to believe - Feedback is a waste of players time and energy as CCP is gonna do whatever they choose regardless.

Eve's new Sov warfare - FW with prime time and minimum participation required.

Well, I posted my actual thoughts and ideas like 100 pages ago :p

How is it harder to defend?
A smart large alliance is going to spread members out to protect their most valued assets.
They, in most cases have armies of allies close enough, they don't need to rely solely on their own membership to defend things.

Isolated pockets of sov are not going to be any harder for the bloks to defend than protecting those same moons is now. In fact it will be easier for them because all they need is more Entosis modules active and the war is over before it starts.

So yes by all means tie moons to sov, then sit back for the next 4 or 5 years and see how badly it fails to create content and change of moon ownership.

I dislike the bloks but would never (as some seem to be doing) underestimate their will to survive and grow.

It is going to take a lot more than "capture the flag" (entosis module) and "how much gold can Mario collect" (capture the most nodes) to break the determined and well organised bloks.


Some of the suggestions put forward by players may help to achieve a more level playing field in sov but CCP has tuned out, they have made their decision and for better or worse we are stuck with it.

Thats not really right, it was more to do with moons and the isk that could be generated passively. A by-product of that was that you really needed all those shiny toys to be able to defend POS's if battle occurred. Overtime, the prestige of owning a moon that could be capped and mined has dispeared because other means of making isk has come into the game. if you remember 2005-2010 it was impossible to support a 1000 man alliance in a small amount of systems becuase of the way ISK was made in null sec, back at that time it was belt ratting/mining as well as if you could be arsed scanning anoms down. This has all been replaced with easier ways of making isk, there isn't the desire to own a high end moon now, correction: desire to want to take a system becuase of the moon minerials that can be mined.

The null sec I see in the future is one close to the framework that has made FW so enjoyable for some. The constant fighting over systems and anoms makes FW faily enjoyable, scale that framework to null sec and you might get a less stagnant and more enjoyable game play.

What I do agree with is this:



It's like the real world economy, things get old and new stuff comes out. The goal is to own a Porche but I no longer want the proche I wanted 10- years ago.

Possibly as the result of living in a certain null sec system you have the ability to open up static worm holes leading into high sec. As Emmy says something new to work towards, want to conquer, castle or what not.

And that is bad beacause?

I kinda thought that is the target to achieve with the changes. If CFC, N3 or RUSbloc cant defend their entire regioncoverage from this, they sure as hell deserve to loose some of it.
If any of the above entities are unable to project a defending force large/skilled enough to intercept a RF attempt within their own space, they simply do not deserve to have that space.

If anything, I find the above kind of situation as the best case scenario. The big blocs still can defend with ease some quite significant amounts of space, but propably not everything. They need to focus on what areas they want to focus their homeline defends on and that they should be able to defend easily. The blocs also have a huge advantage in numbers of FC's. They are more likely to be able to field 10+ semi-independent fleets to intercept attemps here and there. And all the smaller entities who tries to RF sove propably does it mainly to get content, not to troll. I atleast dont see my alliance in any need of sovtrolling, just simple and pure content creation.

CFC will remain CFC, N3 will remain N3 and rusbloc will remain rusbloc. If (and hopefully when) they are not able to defend all of their tens of regions worth of space, good! Then we get more independent triers out there. Who by the way generate content to all the sov blockers aswell. The numbers still does matter, as they always should. This just even's the odds a bit, if the smaller entities like mine are able to outperform the bigger fleet's movements.

When this hits TQ, sure there will be few first weeks quite a lot of action on the sovmap. But I imagine it will easen up after the few first weeks of players testing the new system out. I have honestly hard time believeing that the trollceptor would ever become a real issue. Beacause first, it is just as boring to the attacker, as it is to the defender. Secondly beacause getting your system reinforced has no penalty whatsoever. Also the bigger empires (richer) are propably going to even more start to stack ships around their empires, so that they can fast move their warfleet there in ceppies, reship to pvp ships and go intercept.

With the modern jump ranges, jump fatigue, ceptor travelspeed and the proposed sov mechanics, I think what we going to see is a very well organized CFC and N3 with very difficult, if not impossible castles to take. However the era of bufferregions will end. A focused multifrontal attack will be impossible to defend (note: FOCUSED), until the target have only few regions left.

I think that the above kind of scenarios are exactly what this game needs and exactly what CCP is after with the proposed changes. As I said before, the general idea is awesome, just few things I think needs tweaking. Primetime being the one I mean. I would revert back to SBU's, but penalitize the system of having anchored or online SBU's by loosing all upgrades. Then put a 10x to the mineral amounts needed to build a SBU, so that they get so expensive, that noone drops them for trolling only purposes.

Numbers do matter and need to keep mattering. However the changes CCP have made lately and keep making makes the moving of the numbers more difficult, as it IMO should be. As it also RL is. Easy to move a 10 man squad fast and agile from place to place, but try to get a 1000 men to move as fast and as agile.

I agree on this only too much.

I do not have any ready answers on how to make 0.0 more desireable. Only way I know would attract the new smaller groups in there is that there would be a lot of easy access pvp to be had.

A year ago or so I sat down and thought on how to make this happend. Only real way to make it happend I think is by changing the isk generation in the game totally. Only individuals should be able to make isk. Then the corporation makes isk from individuals in form of taxes. Alliance makes the same from corps in form of taxes.
I honestly think that the main reason for PvP in 0.0 being so stagnant is SRP. PLEX prices are at ridicilious 800ish millions and meanwhile the individuals (I'm talking of John Doe the average player) are not able to create a lot more than that in a month with their 1-2 hours a day gametimes. So they cant afford to PvP. This was noticed by alliance leaders and thus they created SRP. Now John Doe can afford to loose a ship. No matter what kind of ship it is, but he can afford to loose it. So he joins a fleet. But he will not undock solo / duo / small gang to do shitall, if there is not a FC present promising the SRP for that particular fleet.

So if CCP would take away the isk from alliances and direct that to individuals that might change. It would take years to run out of the isk buffers the coalitions have, but atleast we would have a more promising future a head of us. Now, even if John Doe suddenly starts to make 4 billion isk / month with hes limited gametime, he will still not undock immediatelly to derp it. It takes time for the general attitudes to change.
Other reason John Doe is not undocking for small gangs coming to poke him without a fleet is that he has learned, that those small gangs players are mostly quite good and they kill you likely. So why would he risk a ship he is likely to loose? No reason whatsoever. Thus he waits a FC to form a fleet with ECM and logi to make sure he dont loose a ship. And even then, if he looses, he gets it back from SRP.

Would it be possible to have POS's and research/construction jobs add to a systems Industrial index? Just because we're not mining in that system doesn't mean that it's not being used for industry.

So I am unclear about something. The intent of the Entosis Link is to encourage smaller skirmishes and to do away with "bashing". But what is to prevent "Entosis" bashing? What I mean, why not just send a very large fleet of t1 frigs equipped with links and just wear down the opponent by sheer numbers? Which is the whole point of the change, right?

Not really

the hope is that magically huge numbers will attack the big bad guys (ie: the blobbers with huge numbers) out of no sov land, and will end their 0.0 dream that way

I fully expect CCP to do new things with Sov, that is new reasons to have it. But first they need to have a system for Sov that works. Or would you prefer fighting over Sov for something that really matters, using an untested, new system?