Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Exactly! Stay on grid until the job is done, or don't make any progress at all.

Glad to see you're starting to get it.

Yup, you do. If you want to be a Big Bad Sov Holding Coalition with your name on the map, step up and do the work.

You've got all the tools you need to counter the mythical invulnerable uncatchable uncounterable Trollceptor, so use them. If you're not good enough to do so, then you don't deserve your space.

FW plex mechanics have their own pluses and minuses. Starting every fight at zero is one of them. Which is why fights in Larges are so much different than in Novice, Small and Medium plexes. But hey - we're FW pilots, not self entitled pansy nullbears. We adapt.

Do the same, or lose your space, either one is fine by me.

I've been going over this in my mind. Really the only issues with the module and the ships is speed, interceptor (bubble immunity), cloaky ships, and T3's (cloaky bubble immune).

You can address two of the issues simply by denying the ability to equip both a cloaking device and this Entosis module. This way you can still use a cloaky ship to do a capture, but they would have to remove their cloaking device, refit the entosis module, then go in. If they get caught and run, they would still have to unequip the entosis module, equip a cloak, and cloak. This gives a benefit to the defender in regards to catching, probing and destroying a cloaky camper. This means that mobile depots become more important.

In otherwords, you do not do a ship restriction, you do a module restriction (that being any type of cloaking device).

None of those are actually problems.

1. Bubble immunity is an awesome thing - it allows you to get into deep enemy sov space with reasonable effort. You need to have bubble immune ships able to equip and use Entosis Links, because that puts ALL sov space at risk all the same time during your chosen window of vulnerability. There's no ability to secure a "border" and have deep areas of sov null untouchable havens of isk-spewing fountains.

2. Cloaks are also not an issue. If you're cloaked, you have no lock, therefore you can't make any progress. If the defender can undo your work while you're cloaked, you've accomplished nothing. Cloaks don't make you uncatchable or immune to dying - and in fact, since an Entosis Link will keep you from warping off while it's active, you're easier to catch. The only real change that we need to ensure is implemented is that having an Entosis Link active (i.e. still in it's active cycle like Bastion / Triage / Siege) prevents the activation of a cloaking device. If that happens, cloaks will be a viable tool to get yourself into position, but won't help you survive if there's active defenders.

3. Cloaky Nullified T3s have the advantage of being able to penetrate into deep sov space, and have the ability to pick their fights. They are indeed big threats. They are also, however, not invulnerable - you make a lot of tradeoffs to get that cloak and interdiction nullification, in terms of DPS / tank / projection / mobility. If Entosis Links prevent you from re-cloaking while active, Cloaky Nullified T3s will be fairly easy to catch and make for nice tasty shiny killmails when caught.

Sort of. I see it more that in order to be able to run around with your Entosis Link on all the time while MWDing at 5km/sec+, you'll need to make serious fitting choices. You might not require cap boosters to do it - I think that's a bit much - but requiring a couple mids and lows and / or rigs to do it would force meaningful choices. For example, if it took a couple lows with CPRs to run your Entosis Link + MWD, then you'd have a harder time making that Interceptor insta-align. If it took that plus a couple mids, you'd seriously impede their lock range. And so forth.

My esteemed colleague from the Caldari Militia gets it. Cheers to you, madame.

You should defend your entire space, not just lock down two or three strategic systems one must pass to go into certain constellations. Also note that it's not only the entosis that bubble-immune ceptors make possible. I have some fond recollections of hunting goon afk-tars in Fade and Deklein, pursuit that was impossible before ceptor buff...

"Safe" and "nullsec" should be contradictory terms. Yes, yes, even hisec isn't "perfectly" safe, but currently far too large swathes of nullsec are much safer than hisec if you're blue to the ruling coalition.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

If cloaking modules didn't exist today and were about to be introduced in the next update then Goons would be now crying about how unkillable and uncounterable afk cloakers will be.

Of course, large nullsec blocks will lose some sov under the new system, but that's a step in the right direction, since blue donut is bad for EVE.

until you get a clash of two entities of sufficient size where the fight for control of the grid lasts longer than the capture cycle and therefore the sniper fleet loses by default because the fight lasts longer than the capture cycle and they have no way of halting the capture cycle.

theres plenty of methods that will break and hinder the sov securing of a stationary fleet close to the sov structure or command node, but if the kiting sniper fleet has not thought beyond, get on grid and run away shooting stuff that approaches then yes, they shouldnt be considered having effective military control over the grid because by definition they're entire playstyle is in being evasive.

evasion is not the tool of the occupying or controlling force. it is the tool of a lesser guerilla-style occupied or harassment force.