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Indeed, not unlike cancer treatment or something, it is reasonable to suggest the first thing is to make a wasteland such that all the far-too-clever people will decide to leave (because they're too clever to stay) and then a bunch of silly people who make bad decisions will come in.


Not going to happen. If anything, you should see your dream of nadot being replaced by random lowsec or npc nullsec dwellers' sov. They probably won't live in it either, but hey...

Oh well, close down your accounts. Or better, put some chars on the market. I'll be needing a lot more cyno alts in this new sov game...

I wonder if they could make it so all constellations have the same potential value. Not necessarily the same types of resources, but when all is said done the value of the resources is equitable. Go further and distribute the sources of the resources over a wider sparser area, to promote trade, conflict, and or alliances based on a bit more than my F1 horde is bigger than your F1 horde.

If they go this route there should be no "worthless" space, but a more normalized but not homogeneous look could be interesting. Some systems generate more isk, some more minerals, some more PI goods or some mix for example. Make it difficult to be self sufficient in terms of resource generation because of the new geographical (if you can even use that term in space) mechanics they are trying to implement making space "big". This would get people moving that are entrenched and alleviate a lot of the concerns about people raising flags in worthless space.

Ah, make sense. I wonder if it would be better overall though if there were just more regional trade hubs rather than Jita being the economic center for the whole game pretty much. I don't know how much pressure would have to be exerted to encourage that to happen though without blatantly making it inconvenient, and if it would even be counterproductive given the inertia of the population is pretty strong in this game. very difficult to get people to change behavior or ways of operating.

I just don't like the idea of more isk faucets being added, I'd rather see the hordes of isk already stockpiled over the years enter circulation and leave wallets and enter the actual eco system of the game.

If this scenario comes to pass and GSF's SRP wallet starts to grow unreasonably, what to do with the extra?

Well that's what I was hoping for. People not living in High not being too heavily reliant on it.

I was hoping for a point where the only thing you would want to transport out of highsec as a null entity would be at most raw materials or things like ammunition because in order to thrive your own local logistics and industrial complex is solid. If not you either have to rely on other groups through alliances to handle that end or you eventually fail.

It would give industrialists and miners a place in many groups if those groups don't use alts for those jobs, maybe get some of them out of high security space because of better opportunities for them other than padding a pirates killboard. This could of course still happen, but the incentives in huge profits would make up for it, and they'd be more likely to have a corp/alliance defending industrial centers, because they have a vested interest in them. This would also be a huge point of vulnerability and on a metagame level people would have to actually strategize around it.

The "carebears" become a conflict driver and raiding someone's resources and defending their infrastructure becomes a serious consideration lacking when you can just "go to Jita". When power is not reflected solely by what isk is generated from PVE or monopolized commodities and the ships "magically" bought or replaced with it, but rather by the groups and their allies' ability to manufacture, produce, and maintain their own industrial complex as any sovereign power should, away from the teat of High Sec.

Just thinking aloud though but honestly a while ago one thing that attracted me to the game was a trailer I saw, and honestly it was so removed from what the game was, but I hope one day it gets closer to realizing potential that is there. Great potential for more meaning and consequence in the sandbox. I would have especially never thought the part about unaffiliated someone defending a miner of all things so hilarious rather than whoring on the kill until actually playing a while for example, but at the time it was pretty cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU

Yeah they got me. But like I said I'm hopeful.

Should have never been passive income of that magnitude in the game to begin with, that is a huge problem. Hopefully CCP stops intentionally foot dragging on this issue.

All these proponents of the system keep thinking in terms of a 1v1. "I counter your off-grid boosted trollceptor with my Cerberus and my cyno alt in a Maulus."

Think about this system in the context of defending one constellation with a small alliance. Assume a small alliance (Alliance A) with a maximum of 100 players active in a given time zone. Assume a typical 0.0 constellation with six systems (three stations). In our example, there is only a single entry gate to the constellation - should be optimum terrain to defend.

Now, never mind the fact that 100 active players in six systems is going to be cramped. You want us to actually live in the space, right? So, none of these characters is making their ISK from highsec incursion running, or FW, or any way that takes them away from their space. Let's assume these are unusually unselfish people who don't mind running the worse anomalies, "just because it's for the good of the whole." They even mine to raise the index.

Alliance A is happily doing their thing in this space. They rat, they mine, they build, they roam, they do home defense. In the current sovereignty system, they can join with friendly alliances nearby to defend a critical timer. The local occupants in nearby NPC space provide lots of small gang content, but are not a threat to their ownership of the system.

Then one day Alliance B gets together 200 pilots and decides to use Alliance A as a punching bag. They move to the nearby NPC space and set up a staging area. The attack comes quickly and swiftly in the form of a 150-pilot interceptor gang. It shows up in Alliance A's prime time and by some miracle every single active member of Alliance A is online, active on comms, and has all the ships needed for a fight. Alliance B jumps into Alliance A's space and quickly begins entosising everything they can. Alliance A has 15 different structures to defend - 3 stations, six TCU's, and six IHubs. Now is where the fun [broken] part starts.

Alliance A has several possible strategies:

(1) A disregards the dictum that "he who defends everywhere, defends no where." A attempts to play a perfect defense and puts 6-7 pilots at each structure. A has to put larger ships at each position in order to compensate. Once Alliance A has committed to defending each structure, Alliance B brings in another 50 pilots in Ishtars and wrecks each one in short order. Alliance A tries to regroup and form up to meet the Ishtar fleet, but the Ishtar fleet runs whenever this happens. This goes on for four hours or until Alliance A finally loses all the timers. Even if, through some miracle, Alliance A holds on for four hours of this nonsense and manages to save half the timers, but has still lost seven. In that case, in 48 hours, they now have 35 separate structures to defend (spread throughout the constellation).

(2) A tries for a middle ground and chooses to defend the three station systems: 3 stations, 3 TCU's, and 3 IHubs. With only 9 structures, A can now put 10-12 pilots per structure. Alliance B quickly reinforces the other three systems, then uses the mobility advantage to hold A in place while it brings in the 50 Ishtars. Even if Alliance A masses all the pilots in a given system, they are still dealing with 50 Ishtars and 150 interceptors. Alliance A loses tons of tackle ships trying to hold down the Ishtars, while B warps around at will, kiting the heavier Alliance A fleet and hitting the undefended structures whenever they can. Once again, if through some miracle, Alliance A wins half the timers, they still have 25 timers (spread throughout the constellation) to defend in 48 hours.

(3) A chooses to defend only one system. They put everything into defending the station in one system. B wins all the timers that A forfeits. They then reship into a proper 200-person fleet and beat Alliance A at the station, unless A has lots of experienced pilots in capital ships. In which case A commits everything to hold that one station. B now has tons of timers; A has temporarily defended the one station.

The next day, B can threaten the station, and any other remaining structures. 48 hours later... when all those timers come out, the same basic thing happens again. B uses numbers and mobility to beat A.

Or, option (4) A realizes this is stupid and moves to the nearest NPC station. Most of the members start living off ninja-ratting, NPC missions, and exploration. No one bothers upgrading the I-Hubs, so the anomaly ratting is terrible. Mining and industry are essentially non-existent (who builds a factory in a wartorn wasteland?). People start spending more time running Incursions in high sec or FW in low sec, which fragments the alliance and tears apart the social bonds that hold it together. Without owning space, A starts to bleed off members who want to be members of a 0.0 alliance that owns space. Some move to other alliances... In other words, Goons get even bigger. Others stop playing at all. Each day, as fewer people log in to comms, it becomes less fun to be there. A dies and Eve loses a few more subscribers.

Yes, Dominion sovereignty might not be perfect, but it is a damn site better than the above. The offensive power of Fozzie Sovereignty is completely out of balance. The defender has to be able to defend everywhere, but has no opportunity to fortify or entrench his position.

Some might say, "but the same thing will happen now!" This is simply untrue. For one, in Dominion, the offense has to commit significant assets to stage an attack. Yes, if someone brings fifty supers to the fight, A may have a problem. But if fifty supers come to the fight, A can request help from friendly alliance C and we get a big fight, or a massive blue-ball fest (that at least has the advantage of only being once, not every day). In Fozzieland, if C tries to help A against B, D will entosis C's stuff. And don't forget that anyone who comes to help probably gets Space Aids. Thank you, Fozzie.

I am not really someone who likes to post on the forums, but if what I heard is true :
removing drones from supercarriers to convert them into big command ships/logistics, Consider then the income of my 4x accounts gone, i do not see the point playing anymore, you can not imagine the frustration of someone who have spend years farming for nothing.

I farmed way too long to obtain this ship, and as an old player i can not see all that time i have put into the given be a "non-sense". Supercaps are part of this game, they have been our dreams one day, and you can not remove that goal to new players, or remove that achievement for old players like myself

We are all aware that changes have to be made in this game, especially to make it enjoyable again within the fact that big blobs have to evolve together, or even only a supercap field (i am aware it is an issue still)

But destroying supercarriers/titans will just bring another matters : alliances like brave noobies or CFC will just be unbeatable, and "elite alliances", which have skills, composed by old players, are just going to die.

so yes CCP, as diplomat of TCF, an alliance who wants sov really badly, and who is waiting for this patch since 3 months , i am telling you my point of view
-Do not nerf supercaps
- Change the sov game mechanics
- Listen a bit more to your old players, they are the ones that keep that game on, that bring friends on it.

Maybe all you will see there are the tears of a guy who do not want to loose his supercarrier, but you should extand that vision to what's in the head of new players, the dream it represents to them, and that dream i had one day...

You should not remove that from the game

Regards