Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What will happen to any alliance that can't win on the field is that they will lose all their space. The system is very brittle in terms of points of failure. You can't afford to lose on the defensive.

You can try reffing all of pure blind, we might even withdraw from many areas that we don't live in. But we won't allow you to use it.

Nothing that interesting was really said except 'Trollceptors can easily get nerf-batted if they get out of hand'

There ya go, saved you 2 hours and about 150 pages of Goon forum posts.

This is 100% the problem and Fozzie refuses to acknowledge it because he can look at the numbers and see that "sh*t tons of isk are made in nullsec anoms" or whatever he said. The numbers I would like to see is how much ISK is being made from anoms grouped by truesec level because I have a feeling that a large percentage of the isk is being generated in the small number of systems with -.6 truesec or better.

Why is this an issue? Because under occupancy based fozziesov somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of nullsec is no longer worth the effort to live in. The only way sov null systems can provide hisec levels of income for their residents is through the Ihub upgrades that cause anomalies to automatically respawn each time they are completed. The type and number of each anomoly that can spawn is influenced by the military level of the system and the level of sov upgrade but is also hard capped by the system's truesec - a fully upgraded mil 5 -.4 system is never going to have a sanctum automatically spawned.

An 'average' sov null system with -.4 truesec at mil 5 and fully upgraded has a bunch of anomalies on scan. However, the vast majority give less than hisec missioning level of income so people only run a limited set of sites - forsaken hub, forsaken rally point, haven, and sanctum. The sample -.4 fully upgraded and at mil 5 gets 2x forsaken hub, 2x forsaken rallypoint, and 1x haven. This allows the system to support 2-3 players running sites at the same time making around or slightly above hisec level income. If you don't have the level 5 upgrade you lose one forsaken hub and the haven, meaning now this system can provide hisec level income for only one pilot. In systems below -.4 truesec it is even worse.

The level 5 upgrade for anomalies is too large to fit in a jump freighter and can only be brought in using a regular freighter via a hisec wormhole. A freighter sized wormhole to hisec doesn't come along every day so getting this upgrade installed is not a trivial matter. In the current sov system this upgrade is protected by the massive investment of grinding the hp of defensive SBUs, dropping/defending your own SBUs, and then grinding the 75M+ HP of the Ihub over 2 reinforcement timers. Under fozziesov I can come reinforce your Ihub, and then come back and win the 2nd timer and your Ihub and all its upgrades go boom, effectively making the system 100% useless to you until you can again find a wormhole from hisec to bring in the level 5 upgrade and start the process over again.

The point here is, why in the hell would anyone want to do this? Right now these systems are typically rented out and are protected by the sheer HP grind and the knowledge that they will be defended by the landlord. Under fozziesov, without committing a supercapital fleet an attacker could come and reinforce 10 ihubs. This creates 10 timers which all cannot possibly be defended.

So while this probably kills rental empires as we know them it also makes nullsec systems below -.5 or -.6 truesec into space ghettos that are not worth the effort to live in. Let's say your smallish corp takes an unused -.3 and goes thru the effort to upgrade it. It will only be a matter of time before a larger pvp alliance comes along to kick down your castle. So why would you do this when you can stay in hisec and make as much/more isk with incursions/missions?

An occupancy based sov system where the best systems can support at most a half a dozen occupants and the worst aren't worth occupying at all is doomed to end in failure. Anomoly quality needs to be decoupled from truesec so that over time even the lower quality systems are worth living in.

Say hello to the new meta - same as the old meta, but now worse, because you HAVE to have caps and supers to take sov.

Thanks no.

Interesting that people jump completely past the very true statement made above and immediately assume the point is that the person speaking is interested in "taking someone's space".

If troll 'ceptors converge on your space, you simply need to have enough players or preferably alts to cover all of the necessary structures with 1 Entosis link each. Put them in a tanked cruiser or whatever and ignore it unless it's attacked directly.

If your alliance doesn't have enough alts / players willing to cover all of your capturable structures, then you are attempting to hold more territory than you can control and deserve to loose it to anyone willing to take it by this method.

If you DO have plenty of alts / players to put one ship in each important point... those trollceptor attacks are pointless and their frequency will (overall) drop off after awhile. Of course, there will be resurgences... but that's the nature of the beast.

Point being, your entire organization doesn't need to be trying to kill interceptors constantly, just devote the necessary number of ships to keep an Entosis point on your important stuff. If you can't do that, scale back a bit until you can.

No, it's really not. There are some issues, but it's better than what we have now.

Of course tunnelling out of Alcatraz with a plastic spoon would be better than what we have now.

so come out and fight...it will be YOUR choice to defend YOUR space or not..... maybe you will have to PvP instead of ratting 24/7?

or perhaps you will be forced into 1-5 systems instead of who knows how many you guys "own" And i use the word "own" loosely as they are empty anyway. Forget the past...this is the new future....and it seems to be burning BRIGHT :)

What CCP needs to do..is tie POS/moon goo to SOV as well.... so it breaks your ISK control over the game :)

the fact that we can easily do exactly this is immaterial to the point

I hear wild goose chases make for fun and engaging gameplay.

So.... your area of control shrinks to something manageable and the downside is that you get lots more good fights close to home with people you've likely never seen before?

For other folks they get the chance to make a stake and experience 0.0. Even if they can't hold their sov, they have fun and perhaps find an area where they DO manage to hang on and grow?

I'm not really seeing a downside here... for anyone.