Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And this illustrates why I don't like the idea of SP remap in anyway. For it to be useful it would have to remap a sgnificant number of SP otherwisethere would be no point. And if it is a signifacant enough amount to 'Poof, no attribute remap necessary' a skill in any way it simply becomes meaningless what attribute choices you make. Every choice should have a consequence and this removes those consequences to a greater or lesser degree.

There was a time when I would want to remap skills but since the cost to clones went away I am not bothered by this any more.

I would like to see the remap actually disappear and all skills train at the same rate. maybe work it that the lower levels say level 2 and 3 take a little longer to train and the level 4 and 5 take a little less, those 30 day plus skills are annoying, but if they were not to change I wouldn't be bothered.

No.

With the amount of backstabbing, suicide ganking, betrayal and stuff happening, this allow greater freedom for people to get off without repercussion, just start a new char and use the ill-gotten gains to buy more skill points without any trace.

Or training a character at maximum amount without caring what the skills are as long as they are the lowest multiplier ones that match the chosen attributes then flush all the accrued sp into a perfect FotM pilot. And you didn't earn the SP in the skills you now decide you want instead. Such an option would make characters and training entirely meaningless. This would become 'Been playing a year? Now you can fly X, Y, and Z. another 6 months until capitals...'

Character training is already completely meaningless. It's a time sink that has nothing to do with player skill or _play_ time invested. It needs a major revamp if the game is survive the drought of new players put off by the character progression. SP remap however addresses part of that issue for existing players.
Your concern seems to be about abuse to maximize training efficiency, but that's exactly what attribute remap already does.

Due to the game changes coming way to often as before this idea is not that bad and has full rights to live.

Of course there must be clear process with limitations and possible penalties. Not that huh today i'm a super cap pilot and tomorrow i'm rat lab goddy. No. We have afributes remap option time to think on same way for SP but here is the trick - how often and how many SP's are allowed to remap.

I think there should be an option to "cash in" skills for SP that are no longer desirable, at say a 50% return rate. Instead of PLEX for remaps and raw SP, this might accomplish the same goal in the end, ie: Players who trained up for a specific career (mining) that have since outgrown it and no longer need those skills.

I don't agree with purchasing SP Directly, however I would support a Delayed SP Booster. It could add the SP AFTER 1 month. This would work similar to multiple character training as cost would be same for paying for mct. Great for alts you dont know what to do with

Example Delayed Booster
- Lasts 30 Days
- At expiration redeems for 2 Million SP Unallocatted
- Stops all training while active
- Cost: 1 Plex
- Since it is a Booster, Uses a Slot so cannot be used simultaneously on same character

Id like to weigh in my opinion on this topic as it has been one I have tried to launch so many times.

There are many ways to do this that would add a lot of depth to the game and I don't think its really play to win providing its done right and limited.

----------my idea----------

harvesting SP from bio-massed characters.

overview: The ability to destroy a toon on an account and harvest the SP that character has which can be added to another character.

Limitations: No character can absorb more SP then would normally be possible to train through the training que by normal means. Ie: characters potential skills points 30m / trained skills 20m - biomass's 20m sp toon = 10m sp to be used.

Costs: 1 plex for every 10m sp the biomassed toon looses that you wish to transfer - minimum SP 5m. So 5msp<10msp = 1 plex 10msp-20msp = 2 plex.

Benefits: This will benefit character trading - no character can exceed their peers SP levels - new characters wont be transformed into SP plasters for main characters. 5msp is an investment of time. Frees up character names without CCP intervention. clears out old toons no longer needed. More Plex sinks. a LOT of players would be using them for this purpose.

Negatives: toons mapped specifically for fastest SP gain just to be biomassed. raise in price for older characters with heavy SP totals. Character trading will be swifter reducing exposures on markets and lowering overall public trade due to the benefit of biomassing. - a LOT more max skill pilots flying around.


----------my position on this topic-------------

The idea that paying for SP is pay to win is horse brown. most people who want this like me are people who accidentally podded ourselves out of SP or who couldn't invest time or funds at the time to train. My inability to get on eve is from my RL commitments and the idea that I can't use my hard earned money to make playing a game a little bit less time consuming is frankly a bit one sided as an argument.

Why should you benefit from the fact you have more free time then me over me using the results of my lack of free time to further my eve career? is it not similar to the upsides and downsides of our choices ingame? why should the time poor people suffer or those who go through patches where they just cant get online? why does the community only support those that CAN spend 3/8 hours ingame or playing for months consistently?

we allow plex cards and see the benefit that had on us as a whole? back then that was cash for isk and it works well. those that can afford it use it - those that cant don't, but it works, its been working and will continue to work - are we so short sighted we cannot see the need for something that has spawned literally thousands of topics specifically requesting it be brought in?

---------MY INSPIRATION----------

I have a character from 2009 - I am a paltry example of a character with that age compared to my peers - and why? because I had a son, because I was homeless and because I moved and couldn't afford to buy back a computer I pawned. Now I can afford to buy a new character at the bazaar - but why should i?

I want my character
my history.

I want to get back that which I lost purely because I couldn't be there to earn it - but unlike everything else in the eve universe once you lose out on SP - its gone. I like the risk vs reward mechanic but this is purely a take it or lose it situation.

I could use my money out of game and buy characters against all our community on whole - you wouldn't know it. by why ruin what I love?

I could buy so much isk I could trade for one. But I would rather buy CCP a drink buying plexes or something else and get my character to where she should be rather then line someone else pockets.

Why shouldn't the community that helped me overcome the adversity of my life - the friends I made during my eve life who kept me smiling when everything else in my life fell apart, benefit from my new found good fortune in the form of more money going into a game we all love?

I dont ask for this out of greed. I dont ask for this to be better than you. I ask only for the opportunity to make myself what I could have been had I not fallen when I did. IS THIS SO MUCH TO ASK? IS THIS REALLY ANY DIFFERENT THEN ME PAYING MONTHS AGO?

IS recouping lost potential so against the grain you all feel that its very suggestion is abhorrent? I don't think it is. and neither do the thousands of other posters asking for it.

-------MY EVE-------

6 pages doesn't constitute 1000's of posters and 1000's of people asking for something doesn't make it necessarily good. Most of the players in Eve would ask for PLEX to halve in price but that wouldn't make it a good idea.

I'm always going to be sympathetic to people suffering RL problems as most people have been there to some degree at some point.

However, this would lead to old characters being rolled out and brought up to date left right and centre and suddenly most would be the current FotM skillset. Old untrained characters would ecome the must have item in the character bazaar.

I stand by my point that for any SP remap to be useful it would have to affect a large amount of SP which inherently makes it immediately abusable. It would also remove any uniqueness frmo the characters.