Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That was actually a typo. I meant to say "defending ship"

You see... if the problem is that if an interceptor is enough to make you quit and give up your sov maybe you shouldn't own it.
Keep spinning!

Yes with this new sov mechanic the major blocks will have a hard time keeping all their sovs holding... but thats exactly the point of the change.

Go to Cloud Ring... theres "no one" living there, its a dead region! The point of this change is also to make you give up space that you can't "effectively" control and not to just put an end to structure grids.

He didn't say he'd send them all at once. What he's talking about is spamming cheap ships with links on them for as long as it takes. Which brings up a good point. Entosis links don't have to be expensive, but could they be uncommon? Say made from single run BPCs found by exploring? Would deter the "spamming" behavior described above that would be possible if you could crank out unlimited stockpiles of them.

First off, thanks for posting this. It's good that you're prepared to listen rather than railroad through changes.




It's not just evasion tactics, it's how you respond to a potential threats. Here's the biggest problem with the current system, mate. You only need one ship. It doesn't matter what size that ship is, it's one ship. Post-change, one ship is now to be considered an immediate potential threat. During the vulnerability window you're asking people to sit there and camp structures every time one unaffiliated player (neut/red) enters the system on the off chance they're after disrupting your sov. That's soon going to suck the fun out of Eve for people.

There needs to be an immediate identifier of threat to sov for the average player. A way of judging if a random in local is there to cause mischief, just passing through or an existential threat to your space-empire. Under the current mechanics, a single ship isn't perceived as much of a threat. A small fleet is going to provoke a response usually. It should be no different under the new system. So would it be possible to set the time needed to hack the structure much higher than two minutes but allow multiple links from the same team reduce that timer? You can still bring Interceptors if you like but you'll be best using a fleet of them which is going to provoke a response which leads to more content, more losses, more industry, more sales, more fun. Allowing a single ship to 'reinforce' everything will lead to stagnation.

Eve needs to be about risk vs reward. The bigger the reward the bigger the risks involved. The proposed changes are the exact opposite of that. Minimal risks for the richest of rewards. How is that a healthy system for the game? Having multiple ships speed up the process solves the other main complaint from people - the vulnerability window. At least with multiple ships there's a chance of a fight for them. Again, I come back to the point that Eve is a game therefore should be fun to play. If these multiple ships can take your sov there will be a whole lot less blueballing going around. People will have to respond to the threat but the threat is at least balanced between attacker and defender.

Dont, as the newbies from high-sec use them to explore null-sec. The size of the ships isnt the problem. It's the speed. So keep your focus on speedmods.

I personally would like to see Entosis Links limited to cruisers and above. Interceptors, while not hard to counter on grid, are extremely popular as conflict avoidance ships. If the goal is to generate content and fights, allowing roaming groups of interceptors to equip Entosis links, will only encourage more coward interceptor fleets.

thats the problem, newbies shouldn't be able to roam null with impunity in a 25m isk ship

When I was a newbie, I actually had to learn to deal with bubbles!

Now the general population is pretty bubble ignorant.

Just nerf interceptor agility slightly, that way you can just instathrasher key constellations

I really rather doubt we'd commit 500 interceptors to one ihub.


No, we'll commit 10 interceptors to 50 hubs.


You might kill a few of us if you can catch them, but far more likely you'll spend your time chasing your tail, and we'll come back. Again. and again. And again until you go mad and stop showing up. Hell we probably wouldn't even bother to contest the subsequent command node fights. Nope, just make you recapture them constantly.


If you think that that sounds boring as hell for you as a defender and even more so for us as an attacker to the point where we wouldn't do that, consider the following:

we ground out entire regions of space using siege bombers.

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Also, every time we pop an Ihub, that's up to billion ISK investment that you just lost because of an Entosis module. That has to be replaced using a freighter. In Nullsec.

Enjoy.