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As expected, an automatic grr coalitions response. You're in good company though, ccp seems to be thinking the same way

ccp's 0.0 vision must crush any other 0.0 dream, it is the only way to progess

Never forget Malcanis Law:

"Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of 'new players', that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."

Obviously if these changes go ahead as proposed, it'll be the current powers that will abuse it to hell. You'll see...

When you have players 5 to 11 years vested into a game, most would point yourself to groups like Brave Newbies or EVE Uni to learn and enjoy the game, so when a thing you love is being (in my opinion) being screwed with in a bad way, older players have to have a say also. Game is not for you, no probs move on, some off us have a harder time letting go though.

I wouldn't take all the bluster too seriously. It is just the usual propaganda. Whenever vets say "think of the new players" just automatically roll your eyes. "Who wants to live in null"? "Who even wants sov now". "We'll destroy high sec". Yadda yadda.

CCP is clearly striving to make a product that is inclusive and not merely a playground for 10 year players or mega coalitions; but one for people that want to play a sandbox game like this but can't devote 8 hours a day to a video game because they have no lif....er, I mean are super successful IRL and have oodles of cash and free time on hand so playing from their yachts all day is no problem.

Any good MMO that is around a while should always remember the people that put them in the position they are in and stuck with them. But never to the point where it becomes catering to self serving rhetoric and entitlement that is to the detriment of the product. Maybe take a look in a year or so and see how the landscape and culture shifts if at all. I'd encourage you to give it another shot though.

Wall of text to follow: TLDR SOV changes are bad; there are simpler approaches that are less disruptive that will achieve similar results.

I recognize that now that its been posted CCP is likely hell bent on these "sov" changes no matter what the consequences. Nonetheless, I thought I would throw out my two cents - personally I cant see how these "sov" changes are a good idea for several reasons:

(1) I get that ccp wants to promote small gang fights, but historically its the big fights and unusual events such as the guiding hand event and b-r5rb that have brought in new players. For me, it was the reporting of the guiding hand event that lead me to give eve a try - not that I have ever done any of that stuff personally, but it was the freedom of game play represented by the incident that attracted me to the game. As for B-r5rb, people like to gripe about big fights, but people rushed to that fight because they wanted to be part of something; people get the impression that these big fights have meaning and influence the course of events in eve, and that "meaning" gets expressed to folk who have not tried the game, which in turn draws them to the game. Now, in my opinion, no one has ever been drawn into eve because of some frig fight in the back end ass of no where. It just seems to me that rather then embracing its strengths and unique attractions, ccp is just throwing them away, leading to less exposure in the game media and ultimately less new players.

(2) Ultimately these sov changes lead to less meaningful fights. If an alliance can only hold as much space as it can live in, there is no point in the alliance engaging in wars of acquisition. You will wind up with little grps of people sitting on their islands with no reason to step off of them.

(3) Sure people "hate" supers and capital ships in general, but they are integral to the eve economy. It takes tremendous effort to build a super. Hell, the concerted effort to build any capital ship is considerable - the ore/minerals required alone is enormous. By nerfing supers and other capitals, ccp reduces the demand for these items, which will ripple through the economy in numerous ways. The need for minerals, pi materials etc. . . will all be reduced significantly. Other things such as third party services will be hit hard, since there just wont be the same need to transfer super. And then there is the whole game play associated with capitals - such as fishing fleets etc...., all gone or reduced. What will these people, who have been building and flying capitals, do once their chosen play style is nerfed? Its hard to imagine that they will suddenly fall back into building and flying cruisers - its like asking a mlb player to go back to the minors.

Ultimately, I just cant be optimistic about the sov changes. It strikes me as overly complicated and needlessly disruptive. The fact that these idea come from the same folk that gave us industry teams and the minigame with its spew doesnt help. A simpler system would in my opinion be much more desirable. Sov decay would achieve most of the results that ccp is looking for without the disruption - what is sov decay? It is the idea that if enough people dont live/play in a particular system, they will progressively lose control over the system. As time goes on, npc events appear in the system disrupting game play, and if not responded to, ultimately besieging the system in an incursion like event. If the event is not defeated, the npc would take over the system rendering it contestable npc sov. To prevent these event from being farmed, the npc would not have any appreciable reward for killing them apart from control over the sov of the system. Because no alliance has the people to live everywhere, this type of system would naturally lead to npc sov systems spreading across the map, which would in turn give smaller alliances the opportunity to either stage out of the systems or to grab the systems to live in themselves. So sov decay achieves the same results of promoting access to null for smaller groups while limiting the size of alliances, all without the needless complexity and disruption.

He did, Fozzie is just putting it out of its misery, instead of the slow painful death.

Welcome to Wormholes.

This is the best topic.

So where are the CCP responses? 177 pages you should be seeing reponses at least every 20 pages.... but nope........

Hey mate, before quitting you should give a proper corporation a chance to show you what makes Eve so special and fun / hate to play. The issue isn't the entitlement of bitter vets - believe it or not - most of the major 0.0 coalitions are craving for changes, even when it means losing the current cozy little blue donut. You can't blame people for caring about their fav game and posting their feedback, emotional as it may be from time to time, same as your statement is a bag of tears about being a scrub. We've all been there.

The thing is, people agree on the statement "things have to change, in a massive way". But what way to take, that's the actual question and many believe that a FW-ish system won't improve things. Most of 0.0 has been in a state of stability and awaiting of these announcements, not in fear but with hopes and expectations to change the status quo. This won't change the status quo, it'll readjust size of empires, but the same empires are still going to rule. You'll always have many opinions about these things and the general impression in this thread is that way over 90% of the nullsec population is disappointed and not a fan. The people pushing most for these changes - most of them not stating "leave it as it is, it's superb the way it is", but rather trying to suggest different things and approaches that feel more fun to play in the future.