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Doesn't like PL love having moons with no sov, are you sure you want to stop their goofaucet

Maybe people will move to npc, they're in for a rude shock though if they can't make money in sov. Cloakers, cloakers everywhere!!!

Have to agree with all respect to CCP, this is terrible, fighting in ceptors with links to take Sov? ,common guys laughs.

Re-purpose the fighterbombers
Change fighter bombers to powerful ECM drones that can cause havoc in a large logistics wing or neutralizing drones that can be deployed onto an enemy ship anywhere on the grid enabling long range neutralizing onto slower larger ships, this should give the new roles to the super carrier. This re-purpose should see it fit well with the changes to jump range and the addition to jump fatigue. I'm not sure how many drones it should have or if they should be able to jamm capitals in siege or triage and the other ships that are immune to electronic warfare. You could also add a warfare link buff giving the fleet a tougher command ship and the newly empty high slots a new purpose if you remove the RR but i can imagine most alliances would pounce on the opportunity to being able to DD the enemy command ship off field again but with most super carrier's millions of EHP this would be a sight to see for most in a fleet with a super command ship. Changing the fighter bombers and the blueprints should make it so you don't have to make them useless objects super pilots have paid millions for and I cant wait to see what you do with the shadow fighter bomber, if you do this.

What about R64's in lowsec, how does one take sov in lowsec?

Moon mining has little to nothing to do with sov and it should really stay that way or your going to kill nulsec even more (and a lot of lowsec as well). I too would like to see high value moon wealth redistributed but as long as we have giant coalitions, that is where that wealth is going to go.
The only way you could tie moon mining to sov would be to remove all R32/64 moons from lowsec and even though no lowsec alliances own them, you could be sure they would scream the house down if they were taken away.
Forget moons as content drivers - It hasn't worked up till now and never really will.

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Best solution to income generation and ongoing pvp content for sov space;
Is to make it attractive and viable to live in sov space.
Idea;
All unclaimed starts with a security status of 0.1, to get better returns you have to upgrade the system to truesec.
An added bonus for "truesec" could be a small bonus to defensive index for the system.
This could be tied to ihub via system population and ongoing activity, so as the ihub gets upgraded it lowers the sec of the system until at level 10 you end up with truesec, 0.00.
To keep it interesting, a new ihub module called "trusec" (or whatever) could be introduced starting from level 1 (0.09) through to level 10 (0.00), the lower you get your truesec status the more productive the system becomes.

The truesec mechanic would need to be achievable by small groups as well as large, so each level could be triggered by activity of the static population (home system clones) over a period of time. The current "home system for 12 months" will need to be modified if CCP hope to see any changes at all in sov space. No-one wants to go and take sov somewhere if their "home system" is tied to somewhere 30 or 40 jumps away for the next 6 months.


With the introduction of something like this, EVERY sov system becomes viable and worth fighting for.


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Scrap the mini game of constellation node grinds, many small groups would never be able to hold a constellation but could hold 1 or 2 systems.
Grinding nodes (any nodes or sovereignty blockade units as they are known now) for up to 4 hours a day is no better than shooting structures for hours at a time. Grinding is grinding regardless of what you choose to call it and time and again it has been shown constant grinding is BORING and kills active content because it becomes - he with the biggest fleet wins.

Remove or at least reduce the 4 hour "primetime", as small groups would have major trouble here.
You want small groups to stand a chance of holding sov, the amount of time it takes to defend your sov needs to be realistic.

Have a "safe system" mechanism for newly taken sov, so, for example for 7 days after sov is taken the sov itself can't be attacked but everyone living there can. This would allow small groups a window in which to upgrade the system a little without fear of actually losing sov. If another group is really intent on keeping them from holding the sovereignty, it is pure pvp that drives them out, not an Entosis module.

NB; All existing sov would be reset when the sov mechanics change - No-one would lose sov they currently have, unless they choose to but every sov system would be set to 0.1 and the alliance holding it would need to upgrade it from there.

You sound mad. Good, when CCP does their job right, people like you always get mad, it's a good sign for the future health of the game.

But there's more to come, can't wait for the capital ship nerfs, bombers nerfs, T3 nerfs, jump freighter nerfs, plus the new delayed local system.

Moons mining needs to be removed and bring ring mining in to the game! Goodbye passive income.... hello miners :)

I got bad news for you, most null sec high skill point players have a reserve fund (mine currently 7.5 billion isk) and major block alliances have mind blowing reserves. They kill null sec 6 months of burn jita at every major trade hub and mission hub(low sec faction warfare, too. They have yet to deal with 1,000 person fleets that don't care about a fight, until we get tired of ganking. We make isk every burn Jita. Our leadership knows what happens when we get bored, its not good. This looks like a very boring patch after the first week. When this hits: time to go down to a single account, put the cap alt, hauler, cynos, miners to rest until its fixed.

In the words of our dear leader:

"We not here to ruin the game, we here to ruin your game."

Enjoy your null sec nerf; we will.

I was already aware of everything you mentioned, but even revising your history in game does not magically turn your speculation and rhetoric into facts based on or backed by solid math work. The problem with your argument is not only you aren't providing any comment to counter a substantive fact based on solid math. You are attempting to say that somehow alliance income equals to personal income and yet, you can't really show how this is the case. (Because it isn't)

Other than saying you don't have the experience at hand, how else could I have accounted for how off and wrong your knowledge of life in null is? I'm an optimist, and I really wanted to avoid citing the other most likely explanation which could have explained your blatant and willful ignorance. Besides, saying that as it is (the specific condition) might end up with some of the good people here interpreting it as a personal insult towards you, and I certainly would like to avoid that by all means possible. Now tell me truthfully, would you rather prefer that I'd have handled it this way and publicly embarrassed you?

Or, it is just that you have a personal grievance from the past, perhaps even related with your separation from CFC, and it is why you are making such dubious claims about the life in sovereign null. In either case, you have to realize that the discussion under this thread is not about you, and you should stop pursuing whatever petty personal agenda you might be carrying over here. If you have anything to add with substance that is close to being factual, by all means, please comment. Otherwise, you will only be ridiculing yourself.

Sorry your right, 2 or 3 large alliances are fighting over control of a few moons - Is that real content or is it a few localized fights?
Good moons will become more valuable as renter networks fall apart, so for a while they will create content for the large groups who want them, until the status quo is found.
As more alliances give up on nulsec and make new homes in lowsec those few moons will only increase in value as more vie for the income but it is still only engaging for short periods for a few.

Tying moons in sov space to sov is so unbalanced it cries out for change even before it is put in place.
You can't have different criteria to hold moons for different regions of space. Do that you may as well put R64's in Empire.

I've lived in nul a long time and yes there is the odd fight over a moon, generally one not close to the alliances main holdings and yes it does create content, for a few for a while. Then things just settle back to the boring we have all become accustomed to.

Entosis - I agree it is grinding with a new name that requires even less players and player activity to achieve major change.
The same with constellation node shoots - Boring repetitive grinding.

I thought the whole idea behind sov changes was to remove the "grind" aspect, not turn it into mini games for less players.