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It is believed to be in each 'isk source communities' best interest to undersell what they make and oversell everybody elses. This is in the forlorn hope that CCP does not monitor isk making activities along with LP and other forms of reward.

Sadly They do. And they are not fools nor easily swayed by anecdotal evidence.

Making sov worth while has a LOT of aspects to it but I am not sure arguments over who is the poorest and who is the richest is part of it as, in the end, CCP will use internal data for such decision making processes OR they will go out with competent people to actually see what is what as they did with WH folks earlier.

But it is not supposed to be about who MAKES more but whether you enjoy doing it. Many a person has told me they don't care what isk is made in missions they refuse to shoot little red crosses all day. Incursions is adependent on a ton of other factors. Ratting in null depends on having secure borders. Each has its give and take and you are comparing apples and oranges when you try to stack them up against each other.

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Ok, Mike.

Righto. Because if you actually do that, highsec is equally as damned.




And CCP is well known for ignoring a problem until it explodes in their face. I think I'll keep right on in my attempts to impress the importance of this on them. Because otherwise they'll likely ignore it until it implodes and slap on another ill conceived bandaid like the ESS.

I thought it was obvious. More reasons to fight = good. As it stands now, you need a super-cap fleet to threaten an R-64, and the coalitions can always bring a bigger one. Make moon mining (in sov space) dependent on an iHub upgrade, and make the yield dependent on the index. It will make the systems that they are in a constant target.

Anything that will force fights is a good thing.

Passive moon mining is probably the biggest single mistake that the designers of Eve made. It probably should go away entirely in favor of active mining of T2 resources, but this would at least put these at risk. They aren't under any significant risk now.

Yep. You want the constant stream of passive income? Deal with the "grief poppers". In other words, play the damn game.

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I think the person who said 7 trillion a month was quoting the gross value of all R64s.



If the POS is offline I'm all for this. So many offline faction towers laying around W-space

And this somehow has anything to do with personal income? With that wall of words, I'm sad to see that you are deflecting, and worse, even actively trying to direct the readers into thinking that null dwellers swim in ISK by linking just a single, outdated sheet.

But, even in the face such blatant ingenuity, I'll still give you the courtesy of a proper answer. Firstly, the chart you posted is outdated. Secondly, that chart doesn't even show that the maximum amount a GSF member can draw from SRP program for regular brawling and roaming related losses per month are limited to a certain amount. This amount is capped at low single digit billions. Lastly, ever since the moon goo nerfs, our SRP program is financed largely through line member taxation of various income generation methods, including, but not limited to, ratting bounties.

I'm telling you that I can make, flying a mere T2 frigate with almost zero risk at low-sec, up to 400m ISK per hour on a single character. I'm telling you that incursions everywhere are fountains of LP that converts to tidy amounts of ISK, providing low to medium nine digit ISK income per hour. I'm telling you that even a newbie highsec L4 mission runner on a battleship, through chosing the optimal faction to do missions for, easily nearly doubles the 52M ISK per hour that an Ishtar pilot can make in null.

And you are trying to claim here, that null has plenty of venues from ratting in a T2 HAC and making 52M ISK (at best) per hour on a single character. You don't even mention or know that every system in null have a limited number of anomalies, and thus, can support a very limited number of people ratting. The risk of ratting in null? You don't even come close to mentioning or touching that! An incursion runner in highsec does not carry the risks that a null dweller does. A character running FW L4s in lowsec isn't risking anything, and the chance of losing his 400M ISK per hour generating T2 frigate are slim to none! A L4 runner in any shape or form doesn't risk anything worthwhile in highsec while earning income! He won't even lose his cheap L4 boat as long as he avoids fitting unnecessarily expensive modules!

Next time you want to comment one an activity in this game, please make sure that you have plenty of experience with doing it yourself. My answer covers various income generating activities in low-sec and high-sec that I personally have taken up in the past. Unlike yourself, I've been there and done everything I cited in my post.

And yet, you, who has never lived out in null, are feeling comfortable with coming out to this thread and claim that income in null is all well and fair!

Bit of a blast from the past since ISD *ahem*

But blow me, only a couple *billion* in pvp losses are covered per person per month...which obviously then aren't paid for out of their personal wallets.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

I've been seeing a lot of posts rightfully citing that sovereign null offers little to nothing for individual level income generation when compared with low-sec, wormholes and even high-sec. I'm reading posts that include concerns on this new sovereignty system proposal putting a lot of burden on defenders, yet offering them almost nothing to an individual for income generation.

Let me use a literary quote here and ask you all;

Is a null dweller not entitled to the sweat of his brow? "No," says the man salvaging L4 mission wrecks at high-sec, "the wealth belongs to the high-sec." "No," says the man living in his wormhole, "The wealth belongs to my access limited, well monitored chunk of isolated space." "No," says the bomber pilot taking his cloaky ship through the gates in low-sec, "The wealth belongs to the faction warfare."

I say it is time that we set our sights on the reality of unfairness here, and reject those answers.