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On the surface that might be true. But the real truth is that that 'younger audience' has the attention span of a brain damaged goldfish where as the types of people who inhabit null now (and who can mentally and emotionally endure the structure grind environment of the current sov system) will be able to deal with situation of the new system in the longer run.

That also illustrates the problem with this sov system, it's Faction warfare 2.0, small gang 'penny packet' gangs and solo hunters will be the order of the day. That's great if you live in low sec and have a 'boxer/gladiator mentality', but sucks if you're a 'soldier' type that actually found fleet warfare interesting (fun is too strong a word).\

Imposing a low sec/FW syle of play on null sec...when actual low sec/FW exists is not the smartest development idea I've ever experienced. If null had to change, making it more like wormhole space would have been more interesting that making it like FW.

Someone got links to these?

We have already discussed plans that do not involve SOV space in our future.
We have also talked with other coalitions and it looks like the smaller ones will disappear as a demonstration of how awful these mechanics are.

They're.....ya know......something something soon something...

Yep, my bad on the 4h prime time, thought it's working more like the current POS system where instead of stronting you now get to choose the out-of-RF time by setting. But this is going to limit most of 0.0 campaigns to enemies within your TZ - let's say you're living between a russian and an USTZ alliance, you're pretty safe as EU TZ entity. if you mark up the TZ time frame you might end up with my initially posted scenario.

I agree that empires are going to drop as much sov as they can, focusing on ihubs and stations, tcu's wherever they need it for boni - which can be a good thing but I don't see the difference in dead unused space or poorly used sov space. I agree with changes to the Entosis range and the general idea to get away from millions of EHP to chew through. Although you could incorporate a system that uses medium sized structures or a certain number of links to be applied until reinforcing works - that would require the attacker to bring at least a certain group of guys, something that's worth fighting and enforces teamplay. Then I'd also limit the nodes to 3-5 per structure, this is going to split up the fleets anyway and would not be as time consuming as 10+ nodes for each structure. I'd also factor in a kind of timer that automatically "regenerates" the rf mode if nobody shows up to actually claim the space.

About the station - you got me wrong there. I think if you can flip a station like this and dock up as enemy after the first timer, it's way easier to keep your enemy from evacuating, which is going to hurt forward deployments and the willingness of players to stack more than 2-3 doctrines in a major system. Just saying, the easier you make it to flip sov in comparison to the effort put in, the less likely it is that people are going to risk assets (like me having a dread, slowcat and t3s + support ships + fun stuff).

I welcome any change that breaks the current meta and coalitions, I just don't see how these changes are supposed to do this besides downsizing on what space you actually deem worth to pay for / defend. The same blue donut is still going to be around to wipe you off the map if they feel like it and there's no reason to reset anybody who could just be a good neighbour and one less border to worry about.

He could at least tell us that wants the weekend to go away and have a good hard think about the feedback rather than appear to have it slip his mind for two days.

To a certin extent, others will replace them. Hell, I envision some FW powers making the transistion to sov null since they will be familiar with that kind of game play already.

But yea, in the end, it's going to be bad. 'Dominion' bad (for the same reasons, not knowing the intended audience). 'Removing both CONCORD and local from high sec and expecting high sec players to just deal with it' bad lol.

I was just listening to the EVE down under podcast and when Fozzie stated the goals as (paraphrasing) "being able to end the stagnation and go out there and take some space" I just shook my head (rest assured, though you can't see it, hy head shake was very forlorn, would have brought a tear to your eyes, i promise ).

But in the end, most of us will probably adapt to it, and brave it out for the average 6 years it takes for a new sov system that is worse than the current one to be thought up. 2021 here we come

For me, Sov should be easier than it is, but it should also be for those that are committed to it. If 100 ceptors can reff a region in a few hours, every sov holder (big and small) will burn out really soon, even if the prime time settings are changed periodically.

In my view, the current design is not so bad, but at least make the sov laser have some heavier requirements. I read someone suggesting Command Ships and think this is a good idea. Maybe T1 Sov lasers in battlecruisers and T2 Sov lasers for Command Ships... that would also give some purpose to a forgotten class of ships.

i have no idea why you think this. CCP made a (relatively minor) change to jump ranges and added fatigue and bigger fights stopped happening, you honestly beleive that CCp can change the fundmentals of the conquest system and this will still happen?

It's unrealistic and naive. The goal of these changes seem to be an attempt to 'open up and re-energize' null sec (perhaps even for "smaller groups"). The most likely outcome, however, is that this community is about to get an abject lesson in Malcanis' law in June.

And 5 FCs? Most alliances (null sec or otherwise) can't find 5 people to sing yankee doodle on comms together let alone 5 competent smaller fleet FCs who are online at the same time. That's the only way i became an FC in faction warfare 6 years ago, no one wanted to step up, even with the enemy militia ON THE GATE in the next system (Old Man's Star). Some alliances are hoenslty gonna say "F# this, might as well move to npc null and live where it's less annoying" like many allainces did because of Dominion Sov.


That's the problem, this new system seems so, i don't know, 'pie in the sky' that it's amazing that people think it's gonna work. I'm not lying when I tell you that were are re-living the unrealistic optimism of the pre-Dominion days. What's worse is that the ideas behind Dominion were at least more reasonable (and better suited to the intended audience) than the FW 2.0 scheme is.

They've simply gave us the tools - if we're not capable to using them properly.....that's as much on us as them.