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I do believe this is relevant, and hope the minutes are put out sooner rather than later. Knowing the back and forth and where CSM members stood, is important with only 5 days left in the election.

CCP, please release the minutes before the election is over.

Since apparently some people are actually taking the time to read every post, I'll weigh in however briefly:

It's not that bad of a system, though my first reaction was: I'm glad I'm not in a leadership position and won't have to actually figure this out. Much like figuring out how to handle your corp's logistics is important, but not really something anyone wants to do, this system will work (with some refinements), but it won't be enjoyable to learn or figure out how to optimize.

The other big thing is I think you are underestimating the troll factor with making the timer only 2 minutes. It feels like sov will be way more annoying to keep now, and since there are few benefits to having it anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if this change makes the system almost unused for legitimate purposes as compared to today.

So basically, I recommend making it more fun and less annoying.

Deleting the post quoting the deleted post so ISD doesn't have to.

Why bother? If a blue is siphoning from the Coalition, he'll find himself removed and hunted out of our space. Anyone else, it's already shooting at.

oh.. yea they won;t go back and edit that though.

Well, Mike is hardly responsible for the development timetable. Possibly after CCP have spent their time on Nullsec, and hopefully you have a vibrant alive space, where you have control of your own destiny and future, they can move onto hisec.

Hopefully they can achieve that there too once the development time is free to do that.

And As Mike has a reputation as a reasonable and thoughtful man, he will be able to apply his talents.
I wish him success with CSM voting, and hope he is available for that job, and it is a Job, unpaid, and his efforts and work are appreciated by some, hopefully many.

Humans are generally predictable. They hate change. Sure they'll gripe about how bad things are, but when it comes to actual change, they dislike it and instead learn to cope with the current state of affairs. The new sov changes are scary for some people. These are the people that have learned to just "deal" with it and the idea that they may have to re-learn the sov system and adapt is frustrating. Where some may see scary change, others see exciting new opportunity. I proposed a similar idea with "central hubs" and "nodes" being used in order to make 0.0 sov mechanics more varied and so this version is very close to my liking.

Unfortunately the ones that see new opportunity are far out numbered by the other group, the people that see the new sov changes as the end of Eve online and the final reason they need to write out their sad "i'm quitting Eve" threads. But don't give up just yet, read on. Perhaps you're one of the people that see the future in a positive light or perhaps you're one of the naysayers on the brink of running a blade up and down your arm. I'm going to tell you why many of the criticisms presented are simply illogical.

One argument I've been reading both here at EN24, TMC and the Eve forums is that now a single interceptor will throw the entire sov mechanic into a hellspin of wack-a-mole. The attacker now has all the advantages and the defender has none. A lone interceptor will now go from system to system like a busy little bee collecting the nectar of tears from our flowery faced nullsec residents. But how right are they?

This game is not divided between "attacker" and "defender." It's made up of different alliances, coalitions, corps, and entities, all of which have just as much potential to play either role. So if you're afraid of having your entire space empire relegated to the history books, well what is stopping you from doing the same to your enemy? Nothing! Everyone is just as capable at fitting up a ceptor and doing the same thing.

Even if you are stuck as the defender, and the enemy has burned several jumps into your home system (which by the way is an advantage to the defender) why couldn't you as the defender simply hop out with your own Entosis moduled ship and negate your enemy? It's an equal hardship for both sides, the attacker doesn't gain any advantage. In fact it is harder for them because they already traversed several systems to get to their target where as you simply hit the undock button, hit "orbit" and activated the module.

You can actually catch the ceptor. Before you start spouting off EFT fittings of your 10,000,000,000 KM Stilleto, relax for a second and realize you as the defender can fit the exact same thing. What's more, you can also fit in implants that make you go even faster than your attacker. Your attacker may also fit those implants but it's unlikely they're going to risk a head full of highgrades just to troll your sov. But let's imagine that he does, and you're both going the exact same speed and you just can't catch the damn ceptor yourself. Well you have one further advantage: fleet boosts. Yes you can fit your favorite speed boosting T3/Commandship and catch up to your aggressor, something your aggressor is unlikely to try. And if they do, well isn't this YOUR system? Get some buddies to probe out the enemy boosts and go kill it.

But what if the enemy brings several ceptors and i'm all by myself? Obviously your alliance doesn't do enough to occupy the region. Maybe you don't deserve to own sov here, and your enemy which has actually brought people has. How the hell can you allow a gang of ships to fly through your space and you not fight it?


Another argument is that 0.0 is about big ship battles! What is this Faction Warfare? I didn't join up in 0.0 to fight with Rifters and Tristans. I'm here to see hundreds of capitals and big ships duking it out!

Conflicts will escalate. The attacker will bring a lone ceptor, in response the defender will bring his own combat ceptor + friends and catch and drive out the attacker. The attacker will now attempt to ship up to something bigger, perhaps AHACs. In response the defender drops capitals to which the attacker, if he wants to press forward, will respond the same. So you know what the big surprise is? 0.0 is still about big fleets. That doesn't change. The difference now is that N+1 isn't the end all be all of 0.0 warfare. After you attack the initial system and force vulnerability in the rest of the constellation, fleets are going to have to divide and be more varied. Multiple skirmish FC will coordinate different attacks in different regions.

This won't just be a revolution concerning how sov mechanics work, but the entire social aspect of the game itself. Players are no longer going to wait for a particular main line FC to call up all the capital ships in order for anything relevant to happen. Their small gang frig roams won't be irrelevant any longer. Now a group of 10 friends flying cruisers and frigs are both meaningful tools of attack AND defense. Now when those small gangs go out, it'll actually matter. If you bring your group of 10 friends and your enemy doesn't undock their gang, they're going to lose their territory. This alone will introduce so much more content into 0.0 It's baffling how anyone can have these fallacious doom and gloom predictions.

They probably took notes just as they did for issues like ship skinning and the Eve-O website design, they just didn't release them.

The high level as is already there for other issues would give enough flavor as to who was engaged and opinions/feedback given etc. We can atleast know if the issues we are discussing here have already been discussed etc.

That was kinda the gist of my point, that Mike might be on the CSM, but the state of highsec is hardly his doing.

Funny thing. Many see the invincible frigate roams as worse than Blobs.
Ceptor gangs allowed to do sov warfare = CCP has already failed.


The ONLY thing ceptors should have to do with the new sov mechanics - scouting and tackle, that is their role that is what they should do.
No sov module (offensive or defensive) should be able to be fitted to anything smaller than a battlecruiser, it should have a fuel requirement, PG and CPU requirements as well.