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Well the devs have officially boasted the idea for sov being based on a game of whack a mole. I mean seriously, I don't want to spend the 4 hours of my prime time gaming running around constellations trying to defend sov. Especially when it doesn't take a genius to figure out how bad this idea is when the attacker can generally have zero risk to take someone else's space. Honestly, whats the point of attempting to hold sov. Let the next guy come take it away from you, and then grief him till he quits the game. When he quits the game its more fun for me, and less money for CCP.

I think the general direction of this seems interesting, definitely needs tweaking.

initial reaction ;

The link thing seems rather artificial and strange

The prime time thing even more so

Other than that, seems fine tbh

Just make sure to buff ns income

I see this a a good sign, they are busy incorporating the feedback.

This sounds like the wrong way to think about it. Sov shouldn't be a "I'm this old in the game, I am entitled to this", but "I'm putting in the effort to capture and hold this", which is a radically different line of thought.


The harassment line might be slightly over the top, but conversely all you have to do to stop the harassment from triggering an actual flipping by a lone interceptor, all you need is one other entosis link running on the station/TCU/etc. Voila, problem solved.


I don't think this is the right route to take neither sov nor supers/titans.

I'm gonna give CCP the benefit of the doubt and assume that the proposed 250km range Entosis Link implementation was just a random brainfart that will soon be revised by reducing that to something like <50km and disabling the use of MWD while active.

With that out of the way the single worst aspect of the proposal is Prime Time.

Within an alliance, it screws everyone but a single (narrow) timezone. If you don't happen to be in that TZ your value is only to keep indices high and logistics. One thought would be to split alliances by TZ (which is already a bad idea because i WANT to play with EU US and AU tz bros, we don't need more reasons to segregate), but from a strategic point of view, there's no reason an alliance would want to create windows of vulnerability outside their strongest TZ.
So that leaves the players to find a completely different alliance that matches their TZ. I would hate to see the concept of multi-TZ (and multi-cultural) alliances die in eve, one of it's most interesting social aspects.

For alliance vs. alliance conflict it's terrible both with equal or unequal Prime Time. When it's equal, a conflict would be just a competition of who could do the most Entosis harassment in the others space, so to tie up ressources. With unequal Prime Time, there's no way a US vs. RUS TZ war would ever go forward.

This is bad and astonishingly short-sighted.

There's also the mentioned imbalance (lack) of risk an attacker must take under the new system, the only marginal benefit of holding sov and yet another nerf to capitals by virtue of losing one more purpose, to name just a few unresolved issues.

And they can still do the same to you in return, to **** with your sov.

However, no amount of system design will circumvent the fact that if a significantly larger foe descends on a smaller foe, the smaller one will most likely lose, due to size etc. It isn't, however, a guarrantee with this system, unlike in the current dominion sov system.

Some thoughts on this:

AFK / cloaked camps will need to be fixed. Anyone who interrupts industrial / ratting activity is basically declaring war by default, as indexes will drop and capturing the system will be easier.

What ship class can fit this module ?, will the ship be fixed in space or can it move ? can I use interceptor with implants / booster drugs / rigs and do 7000m/s while using this new module?

Region entry systems, high-sec gateways, choke points. Doing ratting / industrial in these systems is near impossible, with the new sov system, you will be defending these systems on hourly / daily bases as indexes will be nill.

Change is good, but this new sov mechanics will need a bit more before it can be bought wholesale.

Then we must agree to disagree on the cost for making such threats. SBU-trolling was a thing, and this new system is going to make it even cheaper, which I dislike. Deception should not be so cheaply achieved.

On the second point, that's why I said in underpopulated systems. In hubs it promotes standing fleets and quick reaction in the even of a hotdrop, but as we all know hub systems are not the best for PvE, due to most anomalies being not worth the time and effort. This is also compounded by the solo nature of most PvE, which drives people away from hub systems due to overcrowding, and because they can run anoms just as well elsewhere.
I believe an anomaly rework requiring teamwork could go a great way to mitigate these issues, and would also solve problem number three, namely, the low reward of nullsec PvE.

Really? That is interesting to hear nullsec PVE as being low reward? Of course Incursions in HS, can be very profitable, iF one excludes, travel time, and waiting for a fleet. But for Null PVE being described as low income is surprising.

We all have assumptions outside null that it is a fountain of wealth, but people also believed that about wormholes, until our c s m actually ran all the sites in a structured manner, and demonstrated the fallicy in that, and CCP listened and made steps to resolve the issue, to ensure balance and fairness.
Possibly your Null CSM should do the same and show the true results? So if they are falling short can be resolved?

If the system's contested, then you'll be risking far more than "100 mill", that "100 mill" would be the initial phase, and it's easily preventable if people are committing just "100 mill".


Actually no, carriers don't have that long a cooldown, they can jump in far less time than that if they MUST, unless they've already accrued jump fatigue prior to the initial jump-in.


So to take sov you need a ship which has been built in sov. Great catch-22 there, and not exclusionary of smaller entities.