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you do realise that without porous borders, that systems can be protected 20 jumps away with large areas of space only occupied with ratters and bots? Interceptors, enforce local residence and defence, as they penetrate the border systems.

but of course you do, hence you don't want interceptors to disturb the peace and quiet, and therefore your proposal to castrate the changes.

Make it fun. Give Recons a bonus to cycle time on these things.

Because it's a pisspoor griefing tool that discourages people from undocking and doing things in space, while the griefer incurs zero risk while he's afk all day long.

You know this, the arguments for and against have been going round and round for ever and I'm not going to get sucked in to another one.

Nope, I thought it might be nice for other ships to be seen in nullsec occasionally. Fcuk interceptors.

Ah threadnaught!

Personally i find these proposals tedious. Another complicated sov mechanic in which you have to do strange stuff.

I still think the best way sov was done was the old system of having sov tied to the POS. Whoever hold the majority of towers in a system had the sov. Personally i think this needs to return. Maybe with a limit (like you can set max 5 towers to sov in one system, to prevent stuff like 100 towers in a system like 49-U which has a lot of moons) or such.

It was easy. It was fun because you had to DESTROY STUFF to get the sov, and there is much opportunity for rapecage.

After digesting the new proposal overnight, I think it has a lot of potential and opens up some interesting gameplay, but right now I think it's just TOO supportive of disruptive gameplay.

In order to prevent a lot of the griefing that people are predicting, here is what I would propose:

1. Remove IHubs and roll their functionality into TCUs. Any existing upgrades installed in IHubs would be transferred over to the TCU of the system. IHub upgrades will need to be toggleable on/off, since right now some alliance anchor multiple IHubs and switch which one is active based on whether they want a cyno jammer/jump bridge/etc in the system.
Since TCUs can be placed anywhere, this forces players who want to disrupt sov to bring a minimum fleet complement to deal with a POS (if that's where the alliance chooses to put the TCU) or to lay the groundwork and defang the POS before they go out to entosis link a constellation.
In addition, this removes the useless TCU as proposed in the current system. Without any IHub upgrades, nullsec systems generate no value as compared to NPC null (except for the sov fuel reduction bonus, which isn't relevant to "active" use of a solar system anyways). There are no anomalies that respawn (pirate or ore), so there is no consistent activity you can do in the system outside of belt ratting or belt mining (which you can also do in highsec, lowsec, and NPC null already).


I had put this part here, but after looking at the time required again, I was thinking of the base 0/0/0 indices only needing 5 minutes to incap services. That will essentially never actually happen, and reasonable index levels give you a much longer capture period, so I don't think this change would really be needed. I'll leave it in the post though, since I had it here originally.



I'm not sure WHAT to do about this, but the 400% bonus to link duration for capital ships seems very harsh and and is a hack-y way of trying to balance the system. Although I understand the danger of just cycling which titan is running the link on the station and using their massive EHP buffer to negate the inability to receive reps, at the same time you're literally self-tackling for a minimum of 4 minutes (two cycles of the module if there wasn't a role increase to duration for capital ships). Maybe a 100% increase in cycle duration (giving you a minimum self-tackle period of 8 minutes--2x4 minute cycles--which is a very significant amount of time for guaranteed tackle, as any capital fisher would tell you) would be more appropriate than 400% if this is a real concern? As it is, capital ships are going to be nigh-useless for capture events. They can't consistently jump between systems via jump drives because of fatigue and jump timers, and even if they try to gate, they're stuck at each capture point for 20 minutes, minimum (not including travel time) even if they cycle a minimum of two times. Moreover, you can literally FINISH incapping a station service before a capital ship can even finish a single cycle to start their link even if your reaction time was zero. That seems...odd.

So you make so we must rat to secure a system but do nothing about the fact that only 10 pilots can be supported at any one time per system at the very best.

Okay Few things: First of all i apprichiate the changes they are in general god. even tho some dread pilots (haah phoenix joke is on you) will feel a bit less usefull, but still its okay.

Disclaimer: in the following i will aruge with fountain as regeion since its my home this might or might not be the exact case in other regions but the general problems will be similar ones.

Some things things bug me with the new system:

-for example that 1 person is able to reinforce a system. within 10 minutes.

(if you look all over eve ther is a staggering amount of systems who are unused simply because they are bad or are in a bad position on the map)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Fountain#sec <- see the right part of fountain? awefull space mostly "J" security class (-0.25 or less). plain unuseable as a ratter except for having escalations there. i would make more money running L4s or Incursions than rat in this space. put up all systems in eve to be albe to sustain atleast 2-3 ratters with 60-90 mil income per hour (i think -0.46 are able to do this)

Now lets keep the idea that it get 100% implemented how you say and nothing changes.

now if some npc-coolguys feel like it they just have to sit in a interceptor and warp to anything in the system and force (2 minutes per t2 link) lets say 20 timers within 1 hour (im not sure if you ahve to stay on grid after the 2 minutes till the timer comes out) PER PERSON. and there is nothing we can do about it but defend the timers 2 days later. it would be a total burnout for all 0.0 alliances. you wanted to make ti less of work of grinding sov. okay. but its allready "work" to keep sov.

The next issue i have is the 4 hour timer is okay. but its not good. alliances are forced from "be able to defend it 24h" to be able to defend it 4 hours against every little guy who comes along. and i hope you ahve been on fleet 4 hours a day for 2-3 weeks. THAT is work.

now take it in the point of fountain:

most of Fountain core is EU TZ. the fountain alliances have the choice to keep it in EU, US or even AU prime. so guess what they will take. US because AU is to low on numbers and EU is the TZ of the enemy. now i as an EU tz player loose my content. because nobody will even have the possibily to attack anything but POS and Pocos during that time. so lets say. give it another option to like "split it in 2" 2x2 hours of vounerable time. we have more to defend. the enemy has more options to attack both sides get more content. otherwise you would force me to leavy my alliance to have content.

Maybe fix this by saying "only battleships are able to use this" or make it a function only Battleships are able to use (Bitches LOOOOOVE battleships) because battleships are currently ****** baldy in the Meta /sorry for swearing but there is no other way to express how it is. Cruisers are 4 times as much used as BS . Great job i would guess? somake it a t1 Battlehip mod or something like that so nobody will be able to speedtank fleets or people . battleships are easy to catch. or make the process longer. something like that (tbh the BS idea is awefull but im desperate about this shipclass)

Next point.
Station - Freeport mode.

you punish players for having a station in the system. thats it. litterally. nothign more. just DONT. please. ccp. dont. like no. that idea is awefull. really. no. :D

it seemd like a good idea and it might be way less uses than i expect it to but its a sh*tty mechanic. please dont let this happen. maybe make stations 2 timers nothing more.

Last thing: My hope is that this only the "sov system" revamp not the entire revamp in 0.0 because if you dont change sov to a place where its really worth to be in it then you will have a game thats worse than its now. even now where its easier to hold sov people wont be bothered with it. (BL, PL, etc...) now you make it a really pain in the arese to keep sov. thats propably not the right way to do things. okay making it easiert to attack okay. but dont make it THAT easy. or that awefull to even bother sov. nearly all entitiys who live in 0.0 right now will be like "**** this" and do a PL because even right now SOV is awefull to have. now you make it more than a burden even for the most advanced coalitions. how are those 400 man alliances who have about 1 constallation able to defend a system without burning themselfes out to hell?

thats all i have hope it wont be as awefull as i expect.



Edit: How about remove that "4 hour primetime" and enlenght the other capture time by the factor 6 or 10 so we have time to respond to people. (not with battleships but still q.q)

Everything has been said.

Appreciate the efforts but just doesn't hang.

D- please try harder.

I'll leave arguing about big corp vs small corp balance to the professionals.

Something which looks like it could use improvement is the immersion aspect of this system. As described in the blog it seems very arbitrary and game-mechanic-y. That's partly because the blog is focused on concisely explaining mechanics, but it bugs me that there were no hints of a logical connection between the game's worldbuilding and the objectives that players are fighting over.

A second issue is that this change would slightly reduce the player's ability to shoot things until they explode. Grinding aside, this is bad by default.

As an example, I'd like to suggest a fix to the above two issues that is mostly just flavour stuff, with minor tweaks to the mechanics of sov gameplay:


"Analysis of the recently de-cloaked sleeper structures has led to the development of a new defence field for stationary* structures, and cloaking for small objects.

This defence field renders a structure nigh-on invincible, and prevents instant capture of stations by pilots with the new Entosis links. It can be applied to stations and structures via a network of compact, cloaked, and similarly shielded projectors which are seeded throughout the same constellation."

* Stationary = Existing in a stable orbit or other location with minimal variability in the curvature of space-time due to gravity in its vicinity.


This links the gameplay mechanics to the game world:
Projectors (formerly Command Nodes) do not "spawn" - they are passively produced and distributed by the sov structures they protect. (bonus points if you can see them being launched by the structure in-game)
Hacking a station does not "begin an event" - it starts de-cloaking the projectors.
Hacking each projector will: (if attacking) remove the shield it provides itself so it can be destroyed or (if defending or capturing) force it to relocate and re-cloak under your alliance's control.

All the above is just re-flavouring to improve a player's immersion in the game world. A similar re-flavouring could keep the Command Node term if desired.

The small game mechanic change, suggested by both the above scenario and the general principle that things should happen for logical reasons, is that once an attacking force has captured a command node or won the capture event for an enemy TCU or IHub the object in question does not spontaneously explode or de-spawn, Instead it must be physically destroyed to complete the objective. This does not mean bringing back grinding, as these structures would have comparable hitpoints to non-cap ships, so a single decently fitted interceptor or a well-timed bombing run would seal the deal.

This last destruction mechanic may seem like a needless complication, but I think it would serve as an effective climax to each battle. For the defenders it's a final chance to hold off the enemy in a last stand. For the attackers it means extra, small hurdles to overcome, but it also provides closure and catharsis for each battle.

Especially for that one guy who does a suicide run through enemy fire to get to this thing that thousands of players have been fighting over for hours, and shoot it till it explodes.