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interesting times, for every player threatening to leave, there will be two resubscribing, sitting on the bleachers, with hotdogs and popcorn (and beer) watching the show.....

So overall I can live with most of the suggestions. Some minor tweaks here and there and this could work.

One big problem I think I have is that these changes make it too easy for hostile forces to reinforce systems and farm fights if they are not interested in actually taking sovereignty.

Especially if the intention is to have smaller entities gain sov, all the big boys (Goons, PL, etc etc.) need to do is send a large roaming gang in that are not easily counterable in <30 minutes by the locals, reinforce a load of systems and they are set 2 days later with tons of potential skirmishes over nodes in numerous systems. In the current system, an SBU takes 3 hours to online, which gives you a lot more time to defend your space from reinforcement and also requires a lot more commitment on the side of the reinforcer.

Seems to me that the defenders deserve more warning than a notification 25 minutes before their low index pipe systems go into reinforce. Hence, some sort of SBU system is still in order I think. Think of a module that anchores in 1 minute, onlines in 1 hour during which it can be destroyed and stays in an invulnerable mode for 24 hours after it onlines or so before it automatically despawns afterwards. Means defenders have an hour to prevent vulnerability to their system and they know they will have to be ready for attempts at reinforcement in a 24 hour window (during the vulnerable period only of course) allowing them to prepare.

Bottom line: you need to have a chance to actually prevent reinforcement of your system, much like the current SBU system. 20-30 minutes is too short for a serious fleet formation and impossible if the locals already have large roaming fleets out. (This new systems disencourages roaming!)

The fact that people cannot agree who this favours and how is a good sign.

Although the 4hr period is a bit restrictive, its probably one of the easiest things to tweak when the changes go live.



You are aware that the takeover happens in two stages right?

First the initial reinforcing.
...48 hour period...
Capture event (where the real takeover mechanics are)


This is why its so easy to reinforce a structure at first. Because its not the main event.

I don’t think CCP need any help in that area

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very nice idea

+ The Entosis Link only for certain ships- command ships ?
+ Longer timers for Entosis Link ? min 20min? and for capital 40 min
+ Add easier way to obtain lvl 5 industry index- but less mineras in single gravi
+Add 30% discount pos fuel consumption with sov (there should be reward for owning sov)
+Add 15% increase pos fuel consumption during Freeport Mode ( motivate to keep sov longer- fliping stations too often should cost more)

I didn't see any mention of whether 'tosis modules will make the ship immune to ewar. Otherwise I can jam myself with an alt to exit cycle and catch reps.

That only happened / happens when there's no one around to defend other than PVE farmers.

I think that's what you think and what dev's think, and that's what's gonna doom nullsec. People in nullsec (most) likes fighting, people in nullsec don't wanna spend 4h/day chasing ceptors around the constellation.
With the upcoming change when a group of 20 bored space gypsies decide to attack 20 systems with 20 entosis links they're gonna harass the whole operations of hunreds of guys at the cost of nothing. And the harassed people who lived for years in null is gonna unsub or go back to lowsec/highsec.

One of the greatest issues with this change, as you can see by checking a bit posting in this thread, is that the people (most) whose happier with the changes, actually never lived in sov null nor tried to.

CCP's Achilles heel is that they change things on the game based on feedback from people who, actually, never tried those things. That's why the game is on it's way to doom and, unless devs erase their delusion of "we see things you don't", we'll be seeing ~20k players on tops by christmas.

All I see with the current version of the sov changes, are ceptors rolling around griefing the **** out of ppl. It will be FW without the LP and worse mechanics.

Also all hail the return of the moon empires.