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so everyone is inclusive in attacking the goon structure. don't be a meeny selfish bee and leave out other peeps to play, that wont be fair now :p

No, cause Entosis links are BY FAR the most pricey T1/T2 module, you can put on a subcap. 20 Million for the T1 almost doubles the price of your ceptor AND ties you down for 5 minutes, which is an awful long time, for something as squishy as a ceptor.

Buying the T2 version for increased range and faster cycle time, greatly benefits a ceptor but at 80 Million its not cheaps either. I don't see people doing suicide ganks or other "just for LOLz" stuff in faction frigs either, since that would be the price point of a ceppy with T2 Entosis.

The only possible exploit that I can see is if a ship stays right at the edge of targeting range AND the Entosis link would work in such a way, that it would immediately abort and allow warp, once it is out of range.

Devs: please make sure, that an Entosis Link completes it cycle (including all negative effects) no matter what. Otherwise at lot of stupid, riskless harassment becomes possible, both ceptors and cloakys could spam Entosis alerts and just warp off/cloak up as soon as someone appears on grid.

I would still use a tech i. Lets say roaming in a frig gang i dont want a mod that costs more than the fleet. just because you dont see the use does not mean there is no use

By playing you mean cloaky camping or gate camping ? Maybe we should move entire CFC to Serpentis Prime and laugh at you trying to take sov, while grinding those sweet missions. GRRR GOONS right ?

They also haven't released the fitting requirements for the module yet. If they follow the normal pattern of T2 being harder to fit, I'm not disregarding the fact that T2 will be unfittable on small ships (like ceptors).

If you want your own little piece of New Eden, you have to fight for it. Pretty simple. No longer can half your alliance fool around in other parts of the universe knowing full well that all their systems are perfectly safe until almost a week of timers pass.

huh. Ok.

So, what's to stop the largest alliances from simply synchronizing their vulnerability windows? Perhaps I don't fully understand the system (Only read it once. Didn't scribble stuff on scratch paper like I usually do...) but wouldn't syncing the vulnerability window create a sort of "Mutually Assured Destruction" scenario that neither alliance would dare to breach?

If you need all your forces to defend during a window, then you cannot use those forces to attack during the same window.

You say this, but what you will actually do is what you always do: you'll come up with a 'solution' (may be good, may be bad) and you'll decide you're doing that. THEN you'll ask for feedback, and based on that you might tweak it a bit and call that "listening to player feedback".

If you actually wanted our feedback you'd tell us what you're thinking about doing before you start coding it. Players would point out its flaws and its benefits, and then we work together to improve it (after all we, CCP and the players, are after the same goal). Then once you get a nice, refined solution you start coding it.

That's why you are CURRENTLY in Null doing that, right?

Sov trolls exist today. Sometimes they show up in one place to ping a station, drop an SBU to irritate the owner... but it's rarely severe. With the new system, sov trolling would become easy.

"It's a good thing!" You may say. "That will force those nullbears out of their hiding caves so I can easily pad my killboard!"

No. It won't.

Point one: "Nullbears" will either let you reinforce the system, and blob you if you show up for the RF timer, or if they have the numbers just undock and blob you.

Point two: There will be no "Nullbears".

A "Carebear" populace that becomes natural prey and attracts predators (and by extent, bigger fish that would hunt them, sparking fights) requires a stable, profitable environment. A concept discussed long ago as "Farms and fields". The system proposed is not farms and fields. This is a prelude to a FW consequence-less pingpong where you hold sov for the sake of holding sov.

Moreover, this will not award 0.0 to the most skilled, competent pvp alliances. This, as any complex system, will put on the map those who can game the system the best to their favour. Combined with the fact that there's very little incentive to hold sov in the first place, will leave the situation as-is:

- Those who game the system best hold the most space, likely using renters to keep the defensive indices up.
- Other groups exist on the fringe picking at renters but running from the larger group, scoring big kills but never truly competing for sovereignity. If said entity grows big enough, it will prod the larger group to get a fight but, once more, never dispute sov.

And so, everything returns to normal. Except for I guess a change in seats in a few places.

Given I'm feeling particularily posty today, let's get a bit epic:

The spirit of sov is that of profit, high-level machinations and decisions made at meta level in smoke filled rooms. The spirit of sov is that of bloody, no-holds-barred war filled with propaganda. A bloody campaign that ends leaves you with tales of blowing up spaceships with your spacefriends, participating in battles small and large.

The underlying system may be complex or simple. It may be "Control 50%+ of the system POS coverage", it may be "Drop SBUs then grind timer 1 2...n". What it needs, and absolutely requires, is a reason to launch a war.

Give the people a reason first. Then you will see that they will hop through the hoops of even the old system to claim what they want. Then **** will burn.

This has been the 0.01ISK of a perpetually drunken irrelevant grunt of an irrelevant alliance full of obvious 'nullbears',
Who probably earns less than an incursion runner but would even pay to fight once more a war that matters,
And is of firm belief that the current system sucks.