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Thonys Visser
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#341 - 2015-02-25 13:17:12 UTC
I think it is still very strange
i can not meet other players in station

to do trading
meet other people
meet friends
meet the enemy and talk it all over


it is such a missed opportunity
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#342 - 2015-02-25 13:29:26 UTC
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:

So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.


Citation needed.

Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies.

The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#343 - 2015-02-25 13:39:07 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:

So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.


Citation needed.

Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies.

The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game.


My personal dislike of the WiS idea is mostly because I find the idea (that tacking on some thing that is counter to the main theme and thrust of the game) to be stupid. That's most of it.

The rest of it is the WiS wanting forum community. I mean , has their ever been a more delusional crowd (other than the people who have been moaning about afk cloaking for the last 7 years)? Why would "more delusional people playing space barbie" be a good thing? They remind me greatly of LARPers I know.

Saying EVE Online needs more people like that is like saying "man, you know what this biker bar needs more of? Yuppies. Suit and tie yuppies, yea, that would fix this biker bar and make it a place bikers want to come to!!!!!!"
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#344 - 2015-02-25 13:43:53 UTC
I agree with Jenn and Kaar, I always have and I probably always will

But reading this thread for the 30th-odd time is making me feel old in my very bones.
ACESsiggy
Deaths Consortium
#345 - 2015-02-25 13:53:44 UTC  |  Edited by: ACESsiggy
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:

So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.


Citation needed.

Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies.

The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game.


My personal dislike of the WiS idea is mostly because I find the idea (that tacking on some thing that is counter to the main theme and thrust of the game) to be stupid. That's most of it.

Saying EVE Online needs more people like that is like saying "man, you know what this biker bar needs more of? Yuppies. Suit and tie yuppies, yea, that would fix this biker bar and make it a place bikers want to come to!!!!!!"


How can you Dislike the idea of enriching the game through further immersion? How can further interaction within the game be stupid? We all have our own opinions but throwing down an analogy of a bikers' bar and not wanting to attract white collar workers is silly. I think you meant to say is this biker bar is controlled by Hellz Angels and no other gangs are allowed. 😉

“The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.”
Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#346 - 2015-02-25 14:05:00 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:

So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.


Citation needed.

Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies.

The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game.


My personal dislike of the WiS idea is mostly because I find the idea (that tacking on some thing that is counter to the main theme and thrust of the game) to be stupid. That's most of it.

The rest of it is the WiS wanting forum community. I mean , has their ever been a more delusional crowd (other than the people who have been moaning about afk cloaking for the last 7 years)? Why would "more delusional people playing space barbie" be a good thing? They remind me greatly of LARPers I know.

Saying EVE Online needs more people like that is like saying "man, you know what this biker bar needs more of? Yuppies. Suit and tie yuppies, yea, that would fix this biker bar and make it a place bikers want to come to!!!!!!"

Getting a bit angry there. Dat server downtime.

ѕнєℓву

ㅤ

ѕσ мσιѕт ♥ ѕυcн вяανє ♥ мany lєgισи ♥ wow
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#347 - 2015-02-25 14:10:40 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:

How can you Dislike the idea of enriching the game through further immersion?


The part where wasting years of dev resources on it in the first place almost killed the game.

Since I don't hate this game, I don't want WiS to happen, ever again.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#348 - 2015-02-25 14:10:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
ACESsiggy wrote:


How can you Dislike the idea of enriching the game through further immersion?


There it is, the thing WiS types do not get or understand. Not everyone likes the same things

I am not an 'immersion' gamer. I'm not pretending that I'm some goo-cover immortal who is captaining a spaceship full of expendable 'normals' who were only born to do my bidding. I'm a gamer , sitting in front of a computer, having fun by making new fits and putting them into 'internet space' to see if I can make a ship kill NPCs faster while chatting with like minded folks over teamspeak.

EVE Online is the least 'immersive' game I've ever played. It's the least Role player friendly. Outside of high sec it's the least carebear friendly. It's a game for engineer types more than it is for dreamers who like to 'live' their fantasies (as evidenced by its VERY small RP community compared to other games).

It (for the most part) attracts and rough and ready type of gamer unlike the universal squishyness found in the communities of most MMOs. It's perfect for people like me while repelling the kinds of people we come to EVE to get away from in the 1st place (with the exception of high sec.....). Attempts to add to it's 'immersion' or 'broaden it's community' are no more than attempts to drive away the current unique community and replace it with types that would not have played the original form of EVE.

No thanks.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#349 - 2015-02-25 14:12:57 UTC
Shelby Dusette wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:

So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.


Citation needed.

Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies.

The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game.


My personal dislike of the WiS idea is mostly because I find the idea (that tacking on some thing that is counter to the main theme and thrust of the game) to be stupid. That's most of it.

The rest of it is the WiS wanting forum community. I mean , has their ever been a more delusional crowd (other than the people who have been moaning about afk cloaking for the last 7 years)? Why would "more delusional people playing space barbie" be a good thing? They remind me greatly of LARPers I know.

Saying EVE Online needs more people like that is like saying "man, you know what this biker bar needs more of? Yuppies. Suit and tie yuppies, yea, that would fix this biker bar and make it a place bikers want to come to!!!!!!"

Getting a bit angry there. Dat server downtime.


Dat foolishness. I happen to not even be at home where I can play EVE this particular morning.

And if you think that's anger, you've never met an angry person. How can someone be angry over WINNING (CCP isn't doing any WiS stuff so that's victory).
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#350 - 2015-02-25 14:15:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ma'Baker McCandless
Jenn aSide wrote:

EVE Online is the least 'immersive' game I've ever played. It's the least Role player friendly.


Oh I have to disagree there Jenn.

Even without realising it, your goo-haver has a personality of her own. And yes I know the sorts of things you like to do dont even involve PvP.

Even if most people play the "Ha-ha RPers are all broney he-shes who use "RP" as an excuse to have what they call sex with each other", the best sides of EvE involve an immersive RP experience.

AIt all depends how meta you wanna get.

Pretty much any interaction with other players outside of my trusted circle of pals is an RP.

Each and every alt I have is a joy to use in a different way.

Convincing other players they know what to expect from you, then slitting their throats and emptying their corp coffers into yours would be impossible with out it.
Shelby Dusette
Division 13
#351 - 2015-02-25 14:23:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Shelby Dusette
Jenn aSide wrote:
Shelby Dusette wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:

So if they HAD implemented WiS, but stopped the "microtransactions" and the other stuff which was the reason to the massive complaints, EVE would been more healthy and attracted more players.


Citation needed.

Because I've never met anyone who would have started playing EVE Online, being what it is, just because it might have had Space Barbies.

The kind of player that is interested in such a fluff feature doesn't exactly mesh well with the kind of person who plays the actual game.


My personal dislike of the WiS idea is mostly because I find the idea (that tacking on some thing that is counter to the main theme and thrust of the game) to be stupid. That's most of it.

The rest of it is the WiS wanting forum community. I mean , has their ever been a more delusional crowd (other than the people who have been moaning about afk cloaking for the last 7 years)? Why would "more delusional people playing space barbie" be a good thing? They remind me greatly of LARPers I know.

Saying EVE Online needs more people like that is like saying "man, you know what this biker bar needs more of? Yuppies. Suit and tie yuppies, yea, that would fix this biker bar and make it a place bikers want to come to!!!!!!"

Getting a bit angry there. Dat server downtime.


Dat foolishness. I happen to not even be at home where I can play EVE this particular morning.

And if you think that's anger, you've never met an angry person. How can someone be angry over WINNING (CCP isn't doing any WiS stuff so that's victory).

But do you pity the fool?

We really do need a killboard for all these competing-playstyles to keep track of who's "winning" and who's losing.

Why can't they all just get along?

.... and share a drink in station.

ѕнєℓву

ㅤ

ѕσ мσιѕт ♥ ѕυcн вяανє ♥ мany lєgισи ♥ wow
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#352 - 2015-02-25 14:30:17 UTC
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

EVE Online is the least 'immersive' game I've ever played. It's the least Role player friendly.


Oh I have to disagree there Jenn.

Even without realising it, your goo-haver has a personality of her own. And yes I know the sorts of things you like to do dont even involve PvP.

Even if most people play the "Ha-ha RPers are all broney he-shes who use "RP" as an excuse to have what they call sex with each other", the best sides of EvE involve an immersive RP experience.

AIt all depends how meta you wanna get.

Pretty much any interaction with other players outside of my trusted circle of pals is an RP.

Each and every alt I have is a joy to use in a different way.

Convincing other players they know what to expect from you, then slitting their throats and emptying their corp coffers into yours would be impossible with out it.


I mean those terms in the 'traditional' sense. Immersion always meant 'being able to get away from the real world for a time'. I used to be an immersion player when i played mechwarrior games . Hours would fly by and I wouldn't realize it.

Role Playing always meant "I'm playing a fantasy role defined by the game". There were times playing WoW where I WAS a Night Elf Mage lol. I could turn into a mother %^&*# bear at will yo Twisted

That doesn't happen for me in EVE, which is exactly what I like in EVE and why EVE attracts folks like me. It's less fluff and more raw "you know you are playing with people, the space ships are just the chess pieces". When I wanna role play (less and less these days) I log in my Klingon Lieutenant General in STO .
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#353 - 2015-02-25 14:37:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ma'Baker McCandless
Jenn aSide wrote:


I mean those terms in the 'traditional' sense. Immersion always meant 'being able to get away from the real world for a time'. I used to be an immersion player when i played mechwarrior games . Hours would fly by and I wouldn't realize it.

Role Playing always meant "I'm playing a fantasy role defined by the game". There were times playing WoW where I WAS a Night Elf Mage lol. I could turn into a mother %^&*# bear at will yo Twisted

That doesn't happen for me in EVE, which is exactly what I like in EVE and why EVE attracts folks like me. It's less fluff and more raw "you know you are playing with people, the space ships are just the chess pieces". When I wanna role play (less and less these days) I log in my Klingon Lieutenant General in STO .



Yeah fair enough. Though a pen and paper RPG's most defining factor is not its strict proscribing to a fictional backstory, but the character's ability to add to that backstory, change and manipulate it, to do anything they put their minds to do within it and have a chance to succeed.

To my mind, EvE is the ONLY online game that allows this.

WoW or STO just let you do a limited set of predestined things.

You can't even pick up a chair.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#354 - 2015-02-25 14:40:51 UTC
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
I agree with Jenn and Kaar, I always have and I probably always will

But reading this thread for the 30th-odd time is making me feel old in my very bones.


Um, but Ma.. you are old. P

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#355 - 2015-02-25 14:42:53 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
I agree with Jenn and Kaar, I always have and I probably always will

But reading this thread for the 30th-odd time is making me feel old in my very bones.


Um, but Ma.. you are old. P



Dangit
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#356 - 2015-02-25 14:47:12 UTC
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:

Dangit


I feel very disappointed that you didn't say "dag nabit" instead.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#357 - 2015-02-25 14:53:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:

Dangit


I feel very disappointed that you didn't say "dag nabit" instead.


Ban daggit
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#358 - 2015-02-25 14:56:15 UTC
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:

Dangit


I feel very disappointed that you didn't say "dag nabit" instead.


Ban daggit


What did he ever do to you? I don't see a reason to ban him.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Maria Elena
#359 - 2015-02-25 14:56:44 UTC
ACESsiggy wrote:


How can you Dislike the idea of enriching the game through further immersion? How can further interaction within the game be stupid? We all have our own opinions but throwing down an analogy of a bikers' bar and not wanting to attract white collar workers is silly. I think you meant to say is this biker bar is controlled by Hellz Angels and no other gangs are allowed. 😉


I totally agree.. the more fashion; the more immersion..

ok, ok.. and customizable skins for the ships too!

\o/
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#360 - 2015-02-25 14:58:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:

Dangit


I feel very disappointed that you didn't say "dag nabit" instead.


Ban daggit


What did he ever do to you? I don't see a reason to ban him.


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