Ships & Modules

Never count out the properly fit Golem. Vargur's might eventually get blown up, but if you use that sexy bastion transformation you'll feel like a winner on the inside.

Your progression is Flawed. T1/2/3 isn't a progression (for ships).
T1 is General
T2 is Specialized into a Role
T3 are supposed to be decent at everything, but best at nothing.



One, I think Bombers/Bombs need to be nerfed somehow, a fleet of them regardless how large shouldn't be able to whelp a BS fleet.. not effectively.. I've personally figured a delay in recloaking + a delay in being able to enter warp would be one way, thus making them targets for the fleet and limiting their chances at getting a second run in.

Or even a new ship/mod, like defender missiles, that would shoot bombs.. Make a ship with an insane lock speed, can only fit said mod.. Only reason to exist would be to defend a fleet from bombs.

Two, I think HAC's are a little OP.. wasn't saying they need a huge nerf, or even that all of them do, but some are clearly op.. And no, not JUST the Ishtar, though that's the obvious one atm.

I wouldn't mind seeing more T2 BS's.. Logi, Commandships, maybe some others.. atm T2 BS's are very role specific, which is fine, but leaves most other roles missing. Marauders are Mission boats, and some small gang PVP + Tourny, but not viable in fleets or larger PVP due to being unable to get reps, move, and cap limited without Logi.. Blackops are weak in tank, meh on DPS, and more expensive, ergo no good reason to use them outside of bridging Covops ships, and providing some support. Still, never gonna see them mixed in with a main fleet.

Hell even a fleet of T2 BS's who's only benefit is improved Resists (but lower base HP) would make them more appealing as they would be easier to Rep. If the price was right of course..


As always, there's no one right answer. And whatever you do, most people are going to be pissed it went too far, not far enough, missed the issue, caused new issues, killed their cat, whatever.

No, we can never have enough Faction ships. I'm serious. I want more. Lots more. As long as they get balanced right, and keep their price tags, they are great. And I don't just mean warships. Serpentis are drug runners, why not a Serpentis Industrial to have a bonus to moving illicit goods? Interbus Freighter? I'm sure there are lots more we can do.


More T2 BS's I think is a great idea.
Not so keen on T3 versions, for now I think the Dessies are a good start.. Maybe BC's next? Or Frigs?


As for the Skills comment, I'm fine with a BS being the easy way into a bigger ship, but really I wouldn't call it better. You need to spend at least as much time on skills to be decent in most BS's as you would to use a HAC well.. Investment into the Guns and Hull alone. Besides, we are mostly talking about buffing BS's, so it doesn't hurt the PVE side any. Though PvE needs it's own overhaul imho.. but that's another topic.

In my opinion, BS should be able to kill frigates, or force them to run 99% of the time, if they are fitted right.
Power creep has taken over in the smaller hulls. Can't really take it back now, but you could adjust mods that fit on BS.
Neuts and Nos already have hull restrictions. Range per size.
Make a Super Tracking Computer, fits on BS hulls only. And maybe a BC ranged one as well. It wouldn't give any advantage over other BS, but it would take up a slot. Fitting choices would at least give a pilot the option to fit for frigate warfare.
Give Large Smart bombs more range.
Give BS scram and webs more range, so that smaller ships HAVE to get inside that range.
Risk vs reward needs to be equalized.

This made me smile.

no frigates vs battleships was not the topic, but rather battleships feel underwhelming both in roles and uses.

Capital ships being strategic weapons I understand, but battleships being sub-cap should not be so, I don't want to use the word here but quite useless compared to small sized ships

I like this.

I think the strength from larger ships need to come from their power to use or resist e-war.

lager engines should be harder to scamble.
larger mass should be harder to slow down by a web

in the end it is the ability to use E-war for every hull that makes the larger hulls less than they should be, because of their longer locking time, slower speed, and not significant more slots.

best way to do this in my opinion is to scale e-war in the same manner weapons are scaled, only with e-war you turn the Precision/effectiveness the other way around.

making it easier for larger versions to be effective on smaller versions.

HACs are great, but certainly don't outclass battleship damage or projection. Tank is a little less clear because T2 resists scale so well with logi, but they're going to have a lot less buffer. Speed/sig will make up for some of that of course, but that's not a bad thing.

Tech 3s on the other hand... a T2 fit rail tengu is somewhere north of 200k ehp before boosts and rail proteus fits get pretty silly too.

Yeah, no it can't...
The Nebulon 'B' is a long spindly ship with an aft section which is all engines and a forward command section approximately 1/3 its length in height; an X-Wing is some 12 meters long with a similar "S-Foil span" perhaps 3-4 meters high? - and it's handled much the same as modern jet fighters and requires another meter or so vertical space to let the astromech board, probably more for the canopy.
The volume of those X-Wings alone is pretty much that of the forward command section, to service them, allow pilots and droids to board, ground crew to work on them...

But then Star Wars Maths has always tended to hyperbole... Just as the ship twice the size of a Rifter is "a little bigger"...

That was precisely my point. Before the changes to scan probing made that borderline trivial to do, long-range battleship fleets were much more common, I daresay even the standard fleet in nullsec.