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Or take away SP for every hour spent cloaked.

Please avoid turning this game into some bastard kid of this X this.

Are players looking for and/or needing(?) that kind of stuff really the kind of players you're looking for ?

Better introduction to the game - in space, more "dynamic", etc. - sure but ... this ?

There's nothing wrong with carrots. Particularly ones of the SP kind, since being able to earn SP bonuses would newer allow players to train into various skillets faster. As we already have "Masteries", it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea either for rewarding some SP for completely mastering a particular ship.

On their own, these strike me as good ideas. But then I take a step back and have to categorize them as another type of text-based tutorial. Good, but not great.

Aura is underdeveloped. heh. I mean she's not being utilized to her full potential as an NPC. She should be a figure in CQ, for one. She should have a question tree so players can find information using Aura as an information kiosk in humanoid form.

Also let her walk around (plzplzplz)

There's the issue of local client size due to sound files, but you could make these on-demand, rather than storing them in the client install.

As for a suggestion that is not just a tutorial: replace ship prerequisites with Mastery Level 1. Example: the Merlin's Mastery Level 1 for new characters. As you start getting into T2 and bigger ship classes, Mastery Level 1 becomes more appealing compared to current prereqs.

The reasoning is players will look at ship prereqs that don't make sense to them, and interpret it as something out of reach due to a time wall (and a subscription fee wall). This is especially true when training times fall beyond the trial period.

For all but the smallest ships, there's a rift between the trial period and training time for prereqs. The training periods are painful for everyone, but the trial period in particular is way too early to throw down the gauntlet of "sub and train or don't get stuff."

I hope you'll spend some time asking about prereqs. Skill level V prereqs, and not just Spaceship Command. Disconnect Signature Focusing from Target Painting V, for example. Rename and disconnect Advanced Weapon Upgrades from Weapon Upgrades. Allow T2 ships to be undocked with the T2 ship skill to 1 and the base hull to 1.

To reduce the effect of gaining too much utility just for sitting in the ship, role bonuses can be distributed by mastery level, rather than in one lump sum. It's rather bland and thoughtless, don't you think.

CCP Explorer commented on Twitter about Adobe's pricing structure, and he called it atrocious. It's painfully quid pro quo. EVE's prereqs are the same way, and it's how they're perceived, and it doesn't matter what RP logic is used to support them. It's bad and cause for resentment.


It sounds to me like an indicator of self driven curiosity and maybe a bit of IQ. This might be good news to elitists, but bad news for a game (with plans to be an entertaining experience as a service).

It's also not a boasting matter for a game to be so confounding and confusing. Players have to build months, years of experience before forming an accurate opinion of what EVE is like as a game. Perhaps some of EVE's identity, quirks, and overall game design philosophy can be explained up front, so that players have a filter to apply to EVE's various mechanics.

It would be a bit self-referential for a video game, but I think it's necessary for players to understand what they're experiencing.

I agree that the new system is way better than the current one, and probably new players will be very better set for exploring the game this way.

On the other hand, that's another nail on the coffin for ingame avatars.

I really like the underlying principle of this system. It reminds me of the tutorial/achievement system from a certain other sandbox game of blocky nature.

Now, i perceive this as good (or at least better than what we had before). Every time i tried to introduce a friend to EVE, i had to tell him, that the tutorial is important (as it sets you up with a lot of th skillbooks that i would honestly forget to recommend to obtain) but absolutely horrific. "Just bear through it." And i got the answer "Why should i?" And assisting someone without literally sitting beside them and reading the tutorial too was really hard for me.

I also like the long-therm goal: Pointing you towards activities you might have otherwise never realized existed.

And based on the presented data, i believe that "Launch your drones" should be somewhere amongst the first available objectives :P

Now, the topic of rewards was brought several times. I firmly believe that EVE is not about the list of awards you will get when you do this or that. It is about scraping the reward yourself from the asphalt after you splattered someone into it.
This is not to say that the starter gear (the guns and ships you get throughout the tutorial and career agents) Is not important or should not be adjusted (i do feel that the destroyer is a bit out of place there, it is a rather specialized hull with low defenses that has the tendency to die a lot).

I feel that you should be able to appreciate the reward of doing the action and not be blinded by the reward the tutorial gives you.

And since this is based of an achievement system, I want to express my concern that achievements in EVE should be about what you and the other players feel like something big. There shouldn't be a list of arbitrarily selected activities that a person should struggle to accomplish. And i do appreciate the effort to verbally differentiate the "opportunity" system from that.

As a final note, it would be really nice if uncompleted opportunities would "pop up" when the opportunity to complete them is presented:

"Hey, this is a wreck of a player and it has stuff in it. Why don't you check out what's inside! (unless the person who produced it is still there)"

"Look, there is an anomaly here! Probe it down and get horribly murdered inside!"

Like a small marker above the object of interest which expands to the full text when you hover the mouse above it.
And maybe also a counter in the top left corner: "Visible opportunities in this system: 7"

Would try them all for sport reasons... :D

Lets find out how all stuff in new eden works.

Off course, if players could make template goals, or corporations that would be awesome.

Thats nice for combat minded people, can you produce a snippet that is pointing towards people that go into the "enabling" part of EVE. Think about trading, shipping, etc...



Maybe we should make certain goals available based on a background timer, so you will have to find things to do yourself while waiting for the nxt things on the list comming up. However, if you do something advanced behind a timer, you can unlock it. So, when you google it, or find the wiki you can speed things up ;).

What if certain Opportunities are invisible to the player? This might result in players trying all sorts of things, just to find out if they get an achievement opportunity completed note (not that much unlike mastery level 5, but hidden). This will also result in opportunities being something that could be mistaken for a goal of the game, but at least there's an incentive to experiment, think in a "sandbox" way.

They are medium term goals, not 'achievements' in the WOW sense. (I did play that game, and understand the role they play there).

They are tasks that are beyond a rookie (although the single solo PVP kill is doable). But they are goals that seem within reach.