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This looks great - I tried to get my little gaming clan to join up last year; two stayed, three bailed on 21 days, all middle aged hardcore gamers...I will try and get one of the three to run through this new set up once its released - just from the screenies I get a better feel of the game trying to engage me.

The unique structures are great too, no matter how many times I said 'but it's space..it's like that', the 'it all looks the same' was repeated endlessly from my friends - until the dynamic and game play grab you, having impressive or pretty things to look at is crucial.

Looking forward to seeing it live.

This is nice but could be even better if "old player experience" had open-end missions too ("kill any 10 NPCs in asteroid belts", "visit 3 landmarks", "do 3 missions for a fleet", "pop 5 player ships", "get killmails for 100 million isk", etc.)

Care to share their reasons for leaving?

As for rewards for opportunities, why not LP? Starter corps have LP stores. Ex: University of Caille has +1 implants for 750LP and 750k isk. They can choose what they want and either plug it in or sell it for more. Although, that might push them into missions.

Some SP might be better. But it would need to be limited or you'll get people farming SP. This however, would serve as an excellent lead-in for teaching about the skill queue.

Followed closely by "Complete your first out of pod experience"
I welcome my new local chatting newbie overlords

Looks great. Some of the best changes to the NPE in the last 10 years. Love that it moves away from the mission based system which pushes new players into L1 missions. Hopfully the these will eventully include intoductions to pvp and other experiance's that are not covered by the current system.

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In my opinion, skill books are excellent as newbie rewards. Newbies need a lot of skills so books are valuable to them, whereas veterans already have the skills so the core books are pretty much worthless to them.

Also: The user interface you have for these Opportunities, once the newbies are done with the NPE, they'll probably expect those user interface elements to continue throughout the game. Which may not be the case.

it could be a good replacement for the tutorials but don't think it should go further than that. "Killing a drifter" achievements will open a can of worms i am not sure you want to open. I already can see the "eve play through in 40 days" yt vids.

Let players create rulesets for other players to solve. Try to innovate instead of copying things form other games. Achievements are for GTA but not for player driven sandboxes.

again: great as tutorial replacement but PLEASE don't go too far.

Unlike a lot of the players posting here, I'm an actual new player. I have to say that I find this change a bit confusing.

First off, EVE is very difficult to get started in with other players. The mechanics are just that and learning them is just like learning any other game. EVE is by far the most difficult game I've ever seen when it comes to socializing though since the level of distrust and disdain for new players is so high. Even reading these replies feels a bit like "What will the peasants be doing this year?". I am aware that it isn't the intent to be like that, but yeah.

Because socializing is actually difficult, I'm not sure how moving new players even further away from the game population is helpful. The missions are boring but they get the job done and it's the best way to get he skills and ships needed to actually attempt playing this game. I'm not clear on how removing access to the game itself is an "opportunity".

If you want a better new player experience, why not have some more variety in the missions instead of looping 5 missions until you stop logging in due to boredom?

What if the Corporation Finder was improved so instead of sitting in a station running skill sheets we might actually get into the game? The only reason the Corp Finder is only one step away from an RNG mechanic that provides almost no information to shop for potential groups to join. To be honest, Dotlan does a better job than the Corp Finder. Don't even get me started on the recruitment forum.

How about a tool like EFT, but in-game so we can actually see what the items do and learn how to put fits together without losing what little money we have or squandering SP on skills it turns out we didn't need yet? That would be enormously useful.

What if the overview DIDN'T need to be unf*@ked? What if it came out of the shoot ready to go so we could tell if we are looking at an actual hostile player or not? Some might consider that useful information.

We need to be able to get INTO the game, not moved further away with fewer rewards and less money. We actually NEED those missions to get anything done since we need the money. We're boned on SP since there isn't a way to grind those. Actions really mean very little in EVE.

Maybe I'm doing this wrong, but I already treat all the starter missions and Epic Arch missions as "opportunities" that I either choose to do or not. I'm not really seeing a difference in that regard. For instance, you can forget thinking that I'm going to be running all over the universe doing that Sisters mission thing. That's like 30 or 50 missions isn't it? Not even once my friend. If you think I should do that you better have a bucket of plex at the end of THAT rainbow!

How many people actually finish all of a tutorial before they go and just start playing a game, no matter what game it may be? Very few I'm sure. I came for pew-pew, not a class.

In a weird way, this new player experience looks like running dailies in Guild Wars 2. I really would advise never, ever getting to that point in EVE. Daily quests are awful, awful, awful.

That was all very negative, so how about some positives? I think EVE is a good game, even with its' issues. All games have issues. The new player experience isn't all that bad until you try to move into another corporation. that would be the players who cause that, so I don't fault CCP at all on that. New players can play the entire game at lower levels quite quickly and that's good.I don't mind the training since at least it seems like I'm dong something in the game. It does seem odd that there is little reward for actually PLAYING the game though. The game is quite nice looking too, which is always a plus.

Feel free to unleash the hate (like you needed my permission).

I see nothing wrong with achievement awards/rewards. The right kind in the right amounts provide strong incentives and the gods know EVE's steep learning curve can sometimes require some incentive to stick with it.

What would REALLY be cool (once there is sufficient content in place) would be if players could could create one or more sharable Opportunities Sets that include a series of specific tasks. It would be even cooler if game mechanics gave a CEO or Directors a way to assign such a set to a character and then get notification when that character had completed the assignment, upon which we could then assign them a corp achievement medal. Thinking about megacorps like Brave Newbies, how nice would it be if the medal could be given automatically once requirements were completed (assuming the wallet contained the ISK to cover medal costs...maybe medal cost could be charged at the time of issuing an Opportunities Set assignment?). Just brainstorming ideas and how some things we have and do already could be more integrated with the NPE. Might even factor into new players wanting to join a player corp.

Edited to add, just because I so strongly believe in it even though it's sorta off-topic in this thread: Go back to starting players with a large pile of skill points. Distribute half among basic skills needed to fly and fly one racial frig with some reasonable cap, grid, and defense. Let the player put the other half into what interests them in game. Obviously this would have to be carefully balanced. I began playing in 2007. Back then, characters got 900K SPs to start and the game was a lot more fun a lot faster. I have never believed the faster learning speed for new bros made up for that.

Sorry, to be a negative Nancy, but it looks to me like this makes the same mistake as before: The tutorials, no matter how you improve their lining and interface only introduce new players to EVE as a single player mining, missioning and market game. It is not that the current tutorials already do that job decent. The problem is: there is zero player interaction in the tutorials and the opportunities look the same.