EVE General Discussion

It's all about getting players to log in, it's all about getting players to stay around. So let's see how we can affect the game that could change that. We need to keep players active, interested and sticking around.
Isn’t it best first to admit that there is a fairly high number of players in EVE that have zero interest in PVP.
No matter what the hell you do with game mechanics, these people will never change their mind.
They would rather quit EVE than take part in PVP so they stay in an NPC corp and love the game just as much as we do.
So CCP……. Active, Interested and sticking around.
Ah the very same problem every single CEO in EVE faces. How the hell do I keep these assholes logged in, interested and sticking around?
I tried the, hey, here’s free skill books, here’s free ships, now let’s get the feck off station and go **** the locals off.
PVP guys go yay \0/ industrial and PVE guys go really? Do we have too? I say yes! Come on, you’ll have a laugh with the lads.
So the lads show up, yup all of them, they listen and do a good job, have a great laugh, they even get a kill or 2. Some of them get into PVP some don’t. So it kind of worked a little.
Do they all gain an interest in PVP? No, Not any more than they need too because they are being pushed into it. I even covered pod loss costs. It didn’t matter even a little. Bottom line, some will love it, some will hate it. Those that hate it will fight if pushed but will revert back to PVE/Indy the second you stop pushing them. You can dress a duck up as an Eagle but that fecker is gonna quack and head for the nearest water the second you take your eyes of him.
It’s unrealistic to think everyone who joins EVE will love PVP and it will keep them in game forever.
Some will wander into EVE, have a laugh for a year or so and leave. Some will wander in and have a horrible time and leave in a very short time. No different than every single game out there.
This idea to remove attributes and implants may work short term. I have very little faith in it working long term.
Perhaps CCP taking a very active roll online in game. Lots of epic live events for newbs and bitter vets alike. Perhaps this whole Caroline star event is leading towards more of that.

Why is planning for a long term return inherently bad?

because you're not getting a long term return, you're just picking what you want to train slowly.

we've been over this point.

the system just lets you pick a punishment - that's a bad system. something is going to have to train slowly, you just get to pick what it is.

CCP doesn't reimburse SP very often, usually responding that players received value for time spent, up to the point of the change. Game mechanics may change going forward, but past investments in time or isk weren't "wasted."

True. And if you trained Cybernetics V for the high-grade implants then no your time would not be wasted. However if you only trained it for the +5's then yes it would be. It would be simple for CCP to just refund the SP needed to train cybernetics from IV to V for those than have it. Then if you wanted the skillpoints for the high-grades you just reapply them. If you only got it for the +5's you can just re delegate them to something else. It's actually a simple solution.

For any change, the developers have to draw a line somewhere. If you have received +5 learning implant benefits longer than the training time, you got a benefit for time spent.

If you received less or no use of +5 learning implants prior to their removal, and weren't aware of this rumored change, then you would have some right to feel left out. But in looking at this thread, word is getting out. It started end of January, and is pushing over 250 unique posters with an awesome 25 from CCP Darwin, proving that they are considering this player feedback.

I can't really disagree with that idea, but as a system it seems lacking. It removes any interaction with the system itself aside from building a sequential list, even if that interaction is a source of consternation for some.

I'm a dumb pilot and I totally don't get the attribute/skill relationship back in the day, I lost a lot of SP/h because of that, forget to remap before changing my skill plan etc etc… I didn't invest in implant cause I thought it was better to stack useless iskies instead of skilling faster…
I made mistake cause I didn't pay enough attention to "Skills how it works" and I paid the price…
That's what EVE is all about, remove those attribute/implant is just reducing player choice of what they can do, and simplify the game for those lazy whiners who don't want to learn how to master it.

Stoopid idea to get in more "lazy" players that used to think EVE was too difficult. It's all about $$$ and nothing with "better player experience"

My 2 isk

I said that knowing CCP is not going to remove learning implants. They're available for everyone, so the mechanic is accessible, and rather quickly. On top of that, Cybernetics has other uses beyond learning implants.

No way they're uprooting learning implants. The industry, the gameplay, depth of the mechanic. It's the unnatural bits that need to be ironed out.

You don't have to explain consequence, we know what it is. The problem with this particular consequence is the prevailing logic that makes most players stay inside, and EVE is less active as a result.