EVE General Discussion

For starters, a responsible thing to do is set their attributes to Charisma:empty, and the other four categories leveled out. I don't know what starter characters' attributes look like nowadays.

iirc they're 20s accross the board with 19 in charisma.

but i could be mistaken, been a long time since i made a new alt.

These things are all mechanics which make the game more varied and interesting and therefore fun (yes even losing access to a station can provoke some diplomatic gameplay and promote interaction). Learning implants and remaps do not make the game more varied, interesting or fun.

Streamlining attribs makes a lot of sense. Dropping the dual attrib requirements would require less remaps to be "optimal", make it more logical and still give a sense of direction.

- perc (or whatever new name) for combat related including shields and armour
- int for support skills like navigation, drones, electronics etc.
- mem for industry related (including mining & hauling ship training)
- char for leadership and social

Give enough points that you can't completely min-max in the way that you'd never really get one to lowest unless you pile it in the other 3.

but it does, you proved that in YOUR OWN post about 2-3 pages ago.

sigh, pretending it isn't a problem doesn't change the fact that the system does nothing but put new players at a disadvantage vs the rest of us and that adds nothing to the game and you've yet to state why keeping it that way is a good thing; as you were asked.

honestly, it's easier to get blood out of a stone than to get you to answer basic questions.

This is the thread about learning implants and attributes buddy I think you must of got lost somewhere on the way here.

the problem is, the choice isn't meaningful. don't get me wrong - i'm all for choice, if it has meaning. the problem with SP is as i keep saying - you're just picking between two bad outcomes.

things i think are done right that are closely related to this topic - hardwirings.

Hardwirings are risked in combat, and also give you an edge in combat. do you edge out that last 5% with implants, or do you just go with an empty clone and keep your losses low if you aren't confident that extra 5% will tip it far enough in your favour?

or "do i armour tank, or shield tank?" do i want ewar, or extra damage? meaningful choices.

but picking what skills you train slowly just isn't interesting or engaging, it's like being asked if you want to be punched in the gut, or the jaw. by mike tyson, in his prime.

thankfully most of us don't have to deal with off remap skills much, if at all, and that's nice. however that doesn't mean we shouldn't try and improve the system just because we've, essentially, surpassed it.

There are other ways to teach newbies all those things - but limiting the areas of the game they can experience by hampering their SP/hour from the start isn't the way to teach them those things. mercilessly blowing up their untanked t1 industrial carrying all their worldly possessions is when they jump in to uedama without a scout is.

off the top of my head, i genuinely couldn't tell you.

Why is it ok for new players to have less skillpoints over all
Why is it ok for new player to have "worse" ships then old player
Why is it ok for new players to .....

Ill tell you why, its because this is a MMO, not space shooter. All in EVE create a want to be better/have more. Be it isk or ships or killboard stats. If you remove this you will kill the game.

Would be interesting to know how long the average player that picks up lets say Battlefield play that came compare to EVE. For me I played Battlefield for maybe a month or two, and that's a really good game.

I played EVE on and off for 8.