EVE General Discussion

it's laughable isn't it.. lol

will you stop whining about a 5% difference. ffs

i'm not whining about any % difference.

i'm just pointing out that new players shouldn't be forced to train things suboptimally due to simply being new to the game and that alone should be enough of an argument for wanting the attribute system revamped at minimum, and removed at best.

actually, all we've proven is that i'm right.

new players, because they're new are forced to suffer lower training times because of the range of skills they need.

I don't want anything. i was just stating a fact and people were like "that's a lie" now we've systematically gone through the whole thing and pointed out that i'm right i'm pretty much done here to be honest.

Based on what logic?

Pretty much this.

When I posted earlier about trying to introduce friends to the game some of the replies stated that I should have taken the time to explain to him about the attribute system, SP per hour and skill planning.

I've thought about the point CCP Darwin makes which is "how do I explain this to him".

On the one hand, i've got a friend who's shooting things in space, learning to double click to move, lock enemies, activate modules. He doesn't understand the difference between the types of guns, has all sorts of things added to his ship because he got them as rewards but at least he's having fun.

When do I pull him up and say, its time I showed you how to map your attributes most efficiently so that in 6 months from now you can be flying some really cool things, fairly well?

The complexity is one of the things that got me hooked, as it was a game I came across that I didn't immediately understand, which was odd, most games are fairly straight forward.

But I can't figure out how I would introduce attributes in a tutorial sense or as another player to a newbro without turning them off the game or putting them to sleep.

Well aside from throwing 20m skill points at them in some expensive starter bundle, and a 1 time use free way of remapping skills for when he's stuffed them, with paid alternatives thereafter. But hey, I think if that were a reality it would just end up being every ones fifth account.

If anyone had a good suggestion?

8 days on a total of 160, compared to a super optimal remapping. Also, the numbers I stated are without implants. If you include implants then the % gain from remapping becomes lower making it even less than 5%. Seriously, the only ones caring about this are OCD math geeks (who'd probably never undock and do anything interesting anyway) and leadership of lol blob alliances who want their cattle to train up faster for a new meta which they weren't smart enough to figure out themselves first.





You base that on older players only using a specific remap which unless they've been OCDing and staying docked for 2 years isn't going to be realistic.

let me pose the question then;

why is it ok for new players to train skills slower? why is that a good thing for the game?

I think we're forgetting how serious the effects of attributes can be on the game. Jita and Amarr... influenced by the Achura stat distribution that used to drive character selection for a long time. That's been changed, but the momentum of Jita is a juggernaut at this point.

I mentioned it before, but when it comes to something like attributes and implant costs, there's no way to know how else players might behave if it was different.

The example of Jita and Achura's popularity is kind of important because it involves the same mechanic, of attributes and SP accumulation. I can't tell the future, but I'm willing to say I'm sure we'll find that EVE was gimped as a result of how attributes, remaps, and implants impinged on gameplay.

The only way to see a difference is to disconnect SP accumulation from active gameplay. Not necessarily eliminate the depth of SP accumulation gameplay, but get it out of the way of choices you make while logged in.