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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#41 - 2015-02-16 02:16:13 UTC
You and your files spying mastery. Please never change.

Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
everyone's hopping on the train outright and it's very strange P

Well, maybe not everyone, but yeah isn't it beautiful.

I think EVE's sociology regarding this topic has shifted dramatically over the past two years. There are still some die hard haters, but by and large much of the stigma attatched to things avatar-related has gone. Things are being fed to us slowly and gently, and it's evolving naturally as a result of growing interest. These days it's become okay to enjoy avatars a bit, whereas three years ago you'd be driven from the forums with torches and pitchforks for even mentioning it.

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#42 - 2015-02-16 02:17:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Erica Dusette wrote:
I think EVE's sociology regarding this topic has shifted dramatically over the past two years. There are still some die hard haters, but by and large much of the stigma attatched to things avatar-related has gone. Things are being fed to us slowly and gently, and it's evolving naturally as a result of growing interest. These days it's become okay to enjoy avatars a bit, whereas three years ago you'd be driven from the forums with torches and pitchforks for even mentioning it.


Exactly haha- as long there isn't another "greed is good" fiasco or it becomes too much of "the big thing", then there may not be too much of a problem Smile

Also, not to suggest anything or say it'd be cost effective or anything: but it would have been really cool if the WoD developers had been turned to WIS after it closed down. Atlanta would have been the WIS HQ and Reykjavik would be the EVE HQ.

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#43 - 2015-02-16 04:42:46 UTC
There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters:

1) Role-Players Bear
2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. P
3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! Roll )

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#44 - 2015-02-16 04:51:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Erica Dusette
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters:

1) Role-Players Bear
2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. P
3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! Roll )

Okay. With that post you've just got a spot on the ballot of my 10 accounts.

(Unless it's sarcasm, in which case I'll just stick to voting corbexx and no one else lol) Smile

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#45 - 2015-02-16 05:04:14 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
We raised a riot, shot up the Jita monument and convinced CCP to drop development of non-space content in favour of fixing existing issues and reiterating on abandoned features.

And now, WIS is itself an abandoned feature. Many are waiting for it to be iterated. After all, you can never fix everything else first, because we will never agree it's all been fixed. One player's fix is anothers big mistake.
Maybe we need a little development balance.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2015-02-16 05:16:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Hating on WIS at the time was justifiable it sucked.

Still hating on WIS 6 years later is seen by many players as a way to get Epeen and show what a leet hardcore PvP player they are.

I definitely know several female gamers that dismissed EVE the instant they realized you cannot really get out of your ship.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#47 - 2015-02-16 05:50:40 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters:

1) Role-Players Bear
2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. P
3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! Roll )

Okay. With that post you've just got a spot on the ballot of my 10 accounts.

(Unless it's sarcasm, in which case I'll just stick to voting corbexx and no one else lol) Smile
It is playfulness mixed with a bit of common sense.

Relatively speaking, being able to spawn someone's avatar in your Captain's Quarters is pretty small, the assets all exists, it is just getting the avatars together and checking they are in the same station when the invitation is issued.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2015-02-16 06:45:09 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/previews/2611-EVE-Online-War-on-the-Impossible-Part-3-Ambulation



I hate to be flippant about the topic, but the title of the article is correct: CCP declared war on the impossible and almost lost.

There is nothing wrong with the concept of WIS, the implementation of the system was awful enough to stop CCP dead in its tracks. Most companies are reticent to repeat previous mistakes and I doubt CCP will be keen to touch that hornets nest until they know their bottom line is secure for another few years.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2015-02-16 06:49:08 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters:

1) Role-Players Bear
2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. P
3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! Roll )

Okay. With that post you've just got a spot on the ballot of my 10 accounts.

(Unless it's sarcasm, in which case I'll just stick to voting corbexx and no one else lol) Smile
It is playfulness mixed with a bit of common sense.

Relatively speaking, being able to spawn someone's avatar in your Captain's Quarters is pretty small, the assets all exists, it is just getting the avatars together and checking they are in the same station when the invitation is issued.


How much extra wok does a graphics card have to do if there are two avatars in the same captains quarters?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#50 - 2015-02-16 07:54:07 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters:

1) Role-Players Bear
2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. P
3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! Roll )

Okay. With that post you've just got a spot on the ballot of my 10 accounts.

(Unless it's sarcasm, in which case I'll just stick to voting corbexx and no one else lol) Smile
It is playfulness mixed with a bit of common sense.

Relatively speaking, being able to spawn someone's avatar in your Captain's Quarters is pretty small, the assets all exists, it is just getting the avatars together and checking they are in the same station when the invitation is issued.


My hunch feeling is that CCP doens't wnats to feed the WiSers. Give them multiplayer CQ, next will come demands for animations, emotes and God knows what else. And being frank, currently WiS' whole relevance for CCP is a team of TWO (2) developers... and some people oppose that formally in the CSM minutes.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2015-02-16 08:33:52 UTC
I want to believe Xander was joking when he said that bit about avatar development.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#52 - 2015-02-16 08:35:30 UTC
Waliking in Stations, an idea without content.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2015-02-16 08:40:02 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis
#54 - 2015-02-16 08:57:53 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
not unlike your post


Perhaps you would care to list the content we missed out on from the binning of WiS?

My post has more content than WiS ever had Smile

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#55 - 2015-02-16 09:17:52 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters:

1) Role-Players Bear
2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. P
3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! Roll )

Okay. With that post you've just got a spot on the ballot of my 10 accounts.

(Unless it's sarcasm, in which case I'll just stick to voting corbexx and no one else lol) Smile
It is playfulness mixed with a bit of common sense.

Relatively speaking, being able to spawn someone's avatar in your Captain's Quarters is pretty small, the assets all exists, it is just getting the avatars together and checking they are in the same station when the invitation is issued.


My hunch feeling is that CCP doens't wnats to feed the WiSers. Give them multiplayer CQ, next will come demands for animations, emotes and God knows what else. And being frank, currently WiS' whole relevance for CCP is a team of TWO (2) developers... and some people oppose that formally in the CSM minutes.

I think you're great, and not just because you're a fellow avatar lover, but why do you always have to post so pessimistically about the topic? It does get a little painful to see at times lol *hugz*

Avatar stuff is trickling in and doesn't look like stopping anytime soon. There are Devs dedicated to it, even if only a couple. And with folks like corbexx (and candidates like Jenshae) we are being represented and strides forward, no matter how small, have been made. They will keep being made if we vote for people like them who don't mind spending a little of their time taking this stuff seriously on our behalf. From what I've seen the Devs are receptive, we just need to keep those strides to a realistic distance.

Even just a shared CQ in the context Jen talks about would be an enormous step forward, and in itself a catalyst for more future change, so let's be optimistic instead, take baby steps and when we have opportunities like the CSM elections use our votes to put more pro-avatar development CSMs in office.

Good times.

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Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#56 - 2015-02-16 09:21:23 UTC
Tarpedo wrote:
EVE will be the only WiS-less spaceship game in 2016. And only one with mandatory subscription fee.


EVE will be the only spaceship game making solid profits in 2016 - and the only one still around in 2020

If a game is good, people will pay to play it. If a game is less than good, only very few people will play it, even for free. Syncaine's challenge to name a succesful F2P MMO still stands.
Vyl Vit
#57 - 2015-02-16 09:22:59 UTC
No one disputes it'd be an enormous step. Claiming it's "forward" is just your opinion. It isn't widely shared by THIS player base. OF the enormous steps that need to be taken, and should be taken, is this ONE of them? Not likely, no matter how dear to your heart it may be. You're the eye-candy fan? Fine. Info panels still rule this game. Praise be the text!

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#58 - 2015-02-16 09:30:43 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
No one disputes it'd be an enormous step. Claiming it's "forward" is just your opinion. It isn't widely shared by THIS player base. OF the enormous steps that need to be taken, and should be taken, is this ONE of them? Not likely, no matter how dear to your heart it may be. You're the eye-candy fan? Fine. Info panels still rule this game. Praise be the text!

Sure, vote for anti-avatar development CSMs then, as is your right.

Or anti-highsec, or wormhole, or faction war, or indy or whatever it is that hits your buttons in EVE.

I have been, and it's been fantastic to see results. That's what I call steps forward. While we're on the way forward I'll keep enjoying EVE as I love it right now, murdering folks in wormholes and spending my downtime writing and RPing. Praise be to the text!

I'll shout you a commiseratory beer in my CQ one day. Pirate

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#59 - 2015-02-16 10:41:06 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
There are three simple reasons allow us to invite each other into our Captain's Quarters:

1) Role-Players Bear
2) Weirdos that don't find rubbing ships together good enough. P
3) $$$ - think people want to buy clothes to show to no one? ( I bet trousers and shoes are flying off the shelves! Roll )


This and also reason I would love to have WiS and also because of immersion in that there's more then just a pod and a space ship in a 2 dimensional 3 dimensional world of submarines.
However if WiS or the servers would actually support multiplayer in any easy to fit manner I think CCP would had done it by now and considering the way EVE is built on a top of an SQL-database I consider even the current WiS as a remarkable achievement.

They could however add some small things such a 'video conference' for that screen in the CQ or at least let you watch p**n err your own videos from it while you w**k I mean station trade all day long.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2015-02-16 11:25:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Walking in Stations is down and bleeding out, all the plasters in the world can't fix that shotgun wound to the gut. It either needs major surgery, or nailing into its box and dumping in the ground.

Since the Incarna debacle I've always maintained the WiS advocates would be better off campaigning for the Ambulation files to be fetched out of whatever bin or dusty basement they were stashed in, and everything to do with WiS set on fire and forgotten, than to pine for that life-saving surgery that isn't coming. Yes, its technologically arguably a step back, and people would have to stomoach their distaste of losing their hyper-detailed, but utterly worthless avatars. But instituting Ambulation, and using it as a base to bring things forward from, is better than fishing around hopefully in the spilled intestines of WiS looking for a miracle.