EVE General Discussion

"risk vs reward" is a nice ideal, and it applies in a lot of situations, but in this case it's bullheaded. The reality of the choice is players choose not to undock, and this slows the pulse of EVE on a grand scale. It's not hard to follow the rationale.

It's a huge unknown. You don't know how much the game is suffering as a result because it's never been any other way. I could be wrong, but I think the local cooldown deserves a test period.

I agree..I could totally support that idea. Plus, having an increased cooldown by distance would prevent the "instant force projection" that CCP has tried to stop.

I think they should keep the attribute implants..teach new players how to use them...and adjust jc cooldown by distance..starting at 0 to the max by distance.

While I don't mind it costing a PLEX, I *personally* feel that anything other than PLEX/Dual-Char Training Time, should be made available In Game somehow. No I don't mean the NEX store, I mean LP stores, drops, mission rewards, whatever. I'd rather see Remaps ad Reseculpts being made available in LP Stores and the like rather than JUST via PLEX/AUR. That or have CCP seed AUR Tokens again.. (as above, LP Stores, Drops, Mission Items, etc.. however they feel as long as it becomes something someone can acquire)..

At this point though I don't care if people scream over it, just find a way to offer it. It's not Pay2Win however you slice it, as it doesn't give you ANY Advantage over someone with the same SP. And as far as I'm concerned, That's the deciding factor in Pay2Win for Eve. Not char age, but SP. If it's Pay2Win then so is Selling PLEX on the market to get the better ship and fit..

+1

You have a choice u could either pvp in you implanted clone or deal with jump clone timer. Which totally make since u want to have an edge training you'd have to risk more .



A good solution would be scrap the whole remap thing and give all characters same attributes. but keep learning implants as they are( with minor editing in slots see the end of the post ) . That way people who wants to train faster could risk more , and for those who doesn't want to risk they have jump clone choice or not injecting implants at all .



Well that's your choice to have these Hardwirings i personally have 5 Hardwirings ( i use all the time ) and i am sure they effect every ships i fly .( well most of them time )
Filling slot 6 to 10
1- 3% more cpu ( good for tight personal ship fittings , good for doctrine ships so i can improve on )
2- 3% agility ( good for all ships i ever undock in faster warp times and less time turning )
3- 3% Cap ( good for every ship from frigate to a capital )
4- 3% turret Dps ( may not be that good for drone boats , missiles boats , but whatever )
5- 3% armor ( its not that good on shield ships but still it gives u a buffer in everyship )

they may be dead-weight in some cases but hey i try as hard as i can to make use of them .
and you should be smart about using them who knows u could find a way to improve on your harpy fit


The problems with this having 1 implants that effect all skills are

1- They could be more costly than having two +5 or whatever implants you use. As the current system requires you to have 2 training implants to get the max SP/hour .


2 - It removes the punishment for training some skill out with attributes other than the 2 implants u are using .

if all pilots have same remap attributes ( considering we still have learning implants ), and they are using learning implant for .... let's say gunnery and they want to train for Armor after that . they would have at least 2 choices i can think of .

A - buy the 2 implants that effects armor skills and keep your gunny learning implants in .
this could save you buying the gunnery learning implants again if u ever plan to come back training that . However it would not only hurt your kill-board if you lose your pod but also it would cost more to replace 4 implants , rather than 2 .

B - buy the 2 implants that effects armor skills and destroy your gunny learning implants in .
It wouldn't hurt your kill-board as much and it would also punish you for destroying you implants if you ever plan to come back training gunnery. it would cost less to replace 2 implants rather than 4

personally i lose more implants by unplugging them rather than losing them in combat , its because i care about my kill-board more than my wallet .


i would suggest limitting the training implants slots to 2 instate of 5 , giving in space bonus for those who have these 2 slots filled bonus may vary depending on the implants injected +1 gets less bonus than +5 (+ keeping hardwiring implants slots as they are )but that would conflict with pirate sets . Which is another issue since CCP issued geno implants 3 and 4 and they were given as special edition implants

I have read the recent replies with great interest.
I notice that the giant elephant in the room is being somewhat ignored by some.

Whilst one can discuss ever more complicated, twisted, and convoluted ways to somehow shape the current learning system into a pretzel, one cannot escape the certainty of the following statement.

If one was to create a learning system to engage and delight the playerbase, what we have would certainly not be it.

I believe CCP Darwin is looking in the right direction.

This is a reasonable and sensible suggestion, resolving the implant issue, will also resolve most if not all of the issues with Jump clones.

However, if we did not currently have learning implants, would we create them now, I suggest going one step further, remove learning implants and the learning component of Pirate implants, and increase the training speed to take account of that, I suggest at +4 with a small adjustment to capital training base SP needs to compensate for the loss Of +5 as it is only there that they have the greatest impact, as sub this, the new base will compensate.

its very simple
remove attributes they aren't needed. they add complexity thats not need or fun. but in doing so allow us to train all skills at the current optimized attribute speed. that will make everyone happy.
as for learning implants since there would be no attributes we could have implants that give a percentage bonus to reduction in training time. sound good every one ok good lets move along to qqing in another thread

I'm just shocked that for what must be the first time it seems that everyone is agreed that an age old thing within EVE (attributes/remapping) is screwed and needs either fixing or removing.

Not sure I've seen such universality.

I believe that if they do this, they will have a new, more easily explained metric for measuring just how much of a PVP deterrent the attribute implants are: they can simply look at how many people use this clone vs. how many just ignore it completely and sit in station being irrational.

better and sooner are two very distinct and desriable qualities.

Just look at teh queues outside an Apple shop when iPhone6 comes out ... because you get it earlier doesn't mean you'll be any better at using it when you get it ... but, importantly, some people wish to get their before other people (in EVE this can give you an advantage).