EVE General Discussion

Sort of wrong. Before you can risk PVP implants, you have to forego learning implants. On top of the loss aversion factor, not having learning implants active is loss in itself. By plugging in PVP implants at all, you're already missing out on a potential degree of SP accumulation.

Using PVP implants is the same opportunity cost of losing a clone full of learning implants. Aside from CA-s, but they're a lot of ISK for wishy-washy half-PVP, half-learning implants. And they're limited issue.

Another example why the current system is not good:

- I examine every skill available to me and set up a plan.
- I only need support skills for the next one year of play time, so I remap to Int-Mem
- Two months after I respec, CCP announces a completely new game mechanic, t3 tactical destroyers.
- These things look AWESOME and I really want to fly one as soon as possible.
- Because I planned out an int-mem remap for one year with all available information at the time, I now take twice as long to get into a t3 tactical destroyer than other players who happened to be remapped properly already.

How is the above logical in the "risk vs reward" scenario?

As CCP continues to release and modify content, the environment of Eve continues to change. Locking players for one year into a "bad" remap means that they take twice as long to train a few missing skills for new content and forces them to take a net "sp loss" in order to do so.

As mentioned before, Attribute implants should be released with consumables for pve type gameplay and/or implants that specifically benefit undocked ships. If there was a 1 hour booster increasing damage against sansha by 10%, you could bet that most mission runners and ratters in that space would stockpile the stuff.

Change every incidence of "Clone", "Implant", and "Pod" for "Ship".

These slots already have implants available that go beyond learning. The Geno's, and the pirate implants. I doubt much more will be added, as virtially all other attributes are already sorted out into the normal hardwire slots. I can't see CCP adding more implants for Damage, or anything up there.

Saving money? So rather than learning implants (of which you only require 2 at a time) now you are going to spend them on new hardwires? So what's the difference? Only now I can't learn faster by risking more?

Nothing Requires you have learning implants. The benefit to having them is actually fairly small unless you have a long plan and use them right. But now you would be punishing those of us who took the time to make the plan, or just as bad, giving everyone else who doesn't think ahead, a bonus to their training.

Learning Implants don't double your speed, we are taking about what for most is just days saved over a year.


And as I said, want to incentivise PVP? Give people Jumpclones Day ONE. You make people grind for ages to be able to make JC's at a station, or join corps with Outposts, Titan's, or Rorq's. Give people a clean clone early on. That way they can have their Learning Implant clone, AND one to fight with without grinding for it. We have people that do that for the newbies in CAS already, and lots of them get their second clone, and them head out for PVP. Now they have one with nothing to lose.
Even if you remove the learning implants, they are going to get normal hardiwres, thus still, the clone will be more than they want to risk losing.

hahahahah wow, this is dumb

You are literally saying "Don't make this improvement to the game because we had to do it the hard way, so everyone else should".

Go back to grinding level 4 missions because you have no concept of how this game functions.

You do make a number of valid point, based around what we currently have.
The question is, although we are here, is this a place we want to start from?
There is No good option with learning, you learn or you do not, you learn slowly, or quickly. The negatives involved are purely economic. pay money or learn slowly. And the effect is much more than a few days a year, it is significant, and does not improve gameplay in any way. They are fulfiling a function diametrically opposite to a desireable goal. They discourage gameplay.

Remaps are just plain dinosaurs, confusion and disorientation that you have to deal with on day one or suffer until some idiot/troll persuades you to use your remaps on a bad plan, when you do not have the experience to know any better.
Or at best..... No there is not a "at best" every choice is either bad or locks you into an unproductive path for gameplay.

Hardwires are quite different, they improve one's abilities in space, in combat, and other ways. There are valid reasons to use them and risk them in space.

Whether that risk is a good thing or not I have addressed above, and can be seperated into a different discussion. Learning implants are unaffected either way.

Whilst there are many ways to juggle, modify, argue, as to how the current system can be twisted into some form of use, the reality is it needs a complete rework. And If new players can learn basic skills a little faster then that is a GOOD thing as long as they don't all start jumping into T2 ships as that would be completely undesireable and not something that CCP would countenace.

So very very glad you see this so clearly, please lock the dev team in a small cupboard with beer and food, and lock the door.
Promise when they are done there's more beer in the fridge.

Sorted

Edit:- make sure to remember the food, or it will be "brainz yum" and all the learning skills in the world won't fix that .

The question is, why punish a new player? For not making smart friends who advise him well? Or search out of game for such wildly divergent options and suggestions? Or use out of game skill planners when he does not even know what those skills are?
And God forbid, he wants to change path, locked into mining for the next year? This hardly encourages player development.

Are players meant to go through some punishing sort of hazing to show they are "worthy" to play the game? Because that it is all it actually achieves.

Good point ^^^ I wish CCP had had the determination and courage then, that they have now, and this all would have been fixed in one go.

Shrug, arguments are ok; and while we argue back and forth, my saying "No" to something someone posted above me doesn't delete their post from this thread, and CCP will see it and make their own decision.