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Minmatar Typhoon - need some love
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#21 - 2015-02-12 12:25:28 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Gremoxx wrote:
God we have tried to make it into - shield BS, armour BS, missile BS, auto-cannon BS, atry BS... even Sentry BS.

Whoa whoa whoa hold on just a darn minute!! Do you mean to tell me you tried to make it into a missile BS...and it STILL didn't work?

I'm sorry but I think you just don't know how to fly this BS. It's not a Raven, it's a Swiss Missile Ship. You take it into PVP with a mixed fit and gank the unsuspecting. It's not a POS Bash platform, it's not the favorite for soloing level 4 missions, it's not a Highsec Vanguard runner. It's a less-specialized more-generalized ship.


That''s quite some major BS you wrote there.

The Typhoon is outstanding for two attributes: Extreme range even with precisions and quite viable accuracy (standard crash and you apply full damage to linked shieldcruisers) and the mobility of almost a T1 cruiser. If you want to use such a ship for fleets, then those better be small (talking of less than 30 shieldphoons with 2 invulns mainly as a tank) or you brick the crap out of them like you do on arty-machs.

Then there is absolutely no need to ask for a change to the phoon. For one, it's solo/small scale performace is well catered to with the 5/7 layout and the fact that you - in those situations - usually fit a 3slot tank (AAR+DCU+resist) in case you have no RR, or a invuln/invuln/scu 3slot tank with 3 BCS, 2 nanos and overdrive in case you got a scimi along.

If you now where to look for a missile ship that has NEARLY IDENTICAL OFFENISVE QUALITIES but offers a tank, you simply use a raven. Easy as that. Hey give the phoon a sixth slot - why not take the raven with seven?
Gremoxx
Wing Commanders
#22 - 2015-02-12 13:13:53 UTC
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If you now where to look for a missile ship that has NEARLY IDENTICAL OFFENISVE QUALITIES but offers a tank, you simply use a raven. Easy as that. Hey give the phoon a sixth slot - why not take the raven with seven?


Big smile

Like everything in life, it changes. And in EVE it changes a lot.

Once up on a time the Raven was cool as glacier and the Harbringer was PVP boat of choice, there was even time when the Brutix was utterly awesome. There is no perfect ship, there is only what can be achieved now.

If you have flown shield Phoon you will know what I´m talking about, but for it to be "up there with the rest" another mid would be great. Ships have been changing over the past 2 years, and why not ask for something that you see as positive for the player base ?

As a PVP player you change your ship of choice on regular bases, you find something new, you find new uses, you try new set-ups and you evolve.

Ix Method
Doomheim
#23 - 2015-02-12 13:41:16 UTC
It's one of those oddities, if both the other Minmatar BS were in a good place it'd be a nice wildcard as a 3rd option with its versatility and speed. But given Large ACs also being a bit ... you're left with a fairly underwhelming selection.

Honestly think the phoon occupies a largely unique spot fairly well, would be disappointed to see major changes.

Travelling at the speed of love.
Iyacia Cyric'ai
Lai Dai Counterintelligence
#24 - 2015-02-12 13:47:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Iyacia Cyric'ai
LOLWUT?

Typhoon is fine. It's a great battleship. It's fast, can fit decent utility, can apply damage to cruisers with RHMLs and does amazing damage with Torps/Cruise against BC and up. It's not a fleet beast like the Maelstrom, but not every battleship should be one.

If you want to talk about a Minmatar battleship that needs attention, let's talk about the Tempest.

Tempest is outperformed by the Nado in solo/small gang/skirmish battles and outperformed by the Maelstrom in fleet battles. It's just overall pretty crappy. In fact it's only saving grace is that because it's so crappy, people underestimate and you can get some decent fights with it, but a ship's bonus shouldn't be a 10% chance of being underestimated by your opponent per level.
Gremoxx
Wing Commanders
#25 - 2015-02-12 14:17:20 UTC
Iyacia Cyric'ai wrote:
LOLWUT?

Typhoon is fine. It's a great battleship. It's fast, can fit decent utility, can apply damage to cruisers with RHMLs and does amazing damage with Torps/Cruise against BC and up. It's not a fleet beast like the Maelstrom, but not every battleship should be one.

If you want to talk about a Minmatar battleship that needs attention, let's talk about the Tempest.

Tempest is outperformed by the Nado in solo/small gang/skirmish battles and outperformed by the Maelstrom in fleet battles. It's just overall pretty crappy. In fact it's only saving grace is that because it's so crappy, people underestimate and you can get some decent fights with it, but a ship's bonus shouldn't be a 10% chance of being underestimated by your opponent per level.


PVE with Arty-Tempest is oki, Auto-Cannon PVP Tempest works well.

And the Tempest is vertical = Op Success

Typhoon on the other hand looks like a brick, it needs some love.

And if you will not give the basic Typhoon 6 med, then by love of God (Minmatar of course) don´t have fleet Typhoon with 7 low and 5 mid, but 6 low and 6 mid.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#26 - 2015-02-12 15:06:19 UTC
Gremoxx wrote:
Iyacia Cyric'ai wrote:
LOLWUT?

Typhoon is fine. It's a great battleship. It's fast, can fit decent utility, can apply damage to cruisers with RHMLs and does amazing damage with Torps/Cruise against BC and up. It's not a fleet beast like the Maelstrom, but not every battleship should be one.

If you want to talk about a Minmatar battleship that needs attention, let's talk about the Tempest.

Tempest is outperformed by the Nado in solo/small gang/skirmish battles and outperformed by the Maelstrom in fleet battles. It's just overall pretty crappy. In fact it's only saving grace is that because it's so crappy, people underestimate and you can get some decent fights with it, but a ship's bonus shouldn't be a 10% chance of being underestimated by your opponent per level.


PVE with Arty-Tempest is oki, Auto-Cannon PVP Tempest works well.

And the Tempest is vertical = Op Success

Typhoon on the other hand looks like a brick, it needs some love.

And if you will not give the basic Typhoon 6 med, then by love of God (Minmatar of course) don´t have fleet Typhoon with 7 low and 5 mid, but 6 low and 6 mid.


If the tempest had the fleet tempest grid, it wouldnt be too bad. I like the TFI since i can fit triple armor rep with x2 neuts and x2 cap boosters. Dps is still pretty low, even with 2 damage bonuses. But, its workable tbh. With a 1.5-2k dps tank, its fun till you run out of cap boosters.

The fleet phoon has double utility highs, like the pest. I havent liked that both minny fleet BS have same slot layout. Id almost say move a utility high to a mid. Still keeping it flexible in shield or armor fits. Though, with that many mids, could create some powerful fits (especially armor tanked). Tbh the pest is probably going to see a rework before the phoon. Especially since the phoon was reworked recently.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Gremoxx
Wing Commanders
#27 - 2015-02-12 15:35:14 UTC
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If the tempest had the fleet tempest grid, it wouldnt be too bad. I like the TFI since i can fit triple armor rep with x2 neuts and x2 cap boosters. Dps is still pretty low, even with 2 damage bonuses. But, its workable tbh. With a 1.5-2k dps tank, its fun till you run out of cap boosters.

The fleet phoon has double utility highs, like the pest. I havent liked that both minny fleet BS have same slot layout. Id almost say move a utility high to a mid. Still keeping it flexible in shield or armor fits. Though, with that many mids, could create some powerful fits (especially armor tanked). Tbh the pest is probably going to see a rework before the phoon. Especially since the phoon was reworked recently.


There is some stiff opposition to my suggestion Big smile

I´m pleased to see how many use the Typhoon for solo or small gang PVP, you actually don´t seen any fraps from such use.. that in it self is a shame. Sad

We are creatures of habits and surprisingly conservative when it comes to most things.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#28 - 2015-02-12 15:43:35 UTC
Cruise Armor Typhoon works fine, m8. But the current meta means all battleship fleets are gonna get **** on by bombers.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Lugh Crow-Slave
#29 - 2015-02-12 19:50:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugh Crow-Slave
Gremoxx wrote:
Typhoon needs Love

It doesn't do what i want it to do and so is a bad ship and needs to be fixed to do what i do



fixed your OP

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
SOL Ranger
Imperial Armed Forces
#30 - 2015-02-13 02:32:17 UTC
The only thing that is wrong with the Typhoon is that it actually isn't Swiss enough anymore.

Ought to be:

Typhoon

5% bonus to Rapid Heavy Missile, Cruise Missile, Torpedo Launcher and Large Projectile Turret rate of fire

5% bonus to Cruise Missile and Torpedo explosion velocity

7.5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret tracking speed.


5(-1) Launcher Hardpoints
5(-1) Turret Hardpoints
8(+1) High Slots

150(+25) m3 Drone Capacity
125(+25) Mbit/sec Drone Bandwidth.


The Vargur requires launcher hardpoints, following tempest tradition.
Zedarh Amarizto
CORE Backbone Industry
#31 - 2015-02-21 17:08:28 UTC
Typhoon is k as is - wif it i haf shoot stuf an it bloos up :P

Note: Anything you say will be misquoted then used against you.
Lienzo
Amanuensis
#32 - 2015-02-23 00:34:09 UTC
"Much praised by its proponents and much maligned by its detractors, the Typhoon-class battleship has always been one of the most hotly debated spacefaring vessels around. Its distinguishing aspect - and the source of most of the controversy - is its sheer versatility, variously seen as either a lack of design focus or a deliberate freedom for pilot modification.

At least it isn't locked into a role the way the self-rep ships are.

You can get a 165k hp hull tank without even using purple mods . The only sad part is the lack of availability of an oversize prop mod to accompany the MJD. :sadface:
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