EVE General Discussion

If you ask those newbies "would you want a new character with 50 mil skill points, 20 bil isk and a free Nyx" they'll also answer positively so that doesn't mean much. People can train ships just fine with a normal remap or basic, if any, implants.

Just because clown fleets with monkeys who aren't potty trained yet get blown up a lot doesn't mean we have to do away with those options. It just means that , perhaps, one should aim less at quantity and more at quality. Removing implants favours the "lol fleets" approach, more blobbing. It's obvious why you prefer that.

We could tell you, but we can't talk about it.

My bet is it's NPC's killing Pod's. It's being seriously talked about.

Not really. Sure, Attribute Implants effect attributes now, but a simple rework can keep their function whilst removing the co-dependence that currently exists. Seriously, what would be the problem with:



Its hardly difficult to understand for newbies - want to train Spaceship Command skills faster, plug in a Spaceship Command Learning Implant. The only thing "wrong" with it, is it is maintaining its function, which is only wrong for people who want their +5's for free with no drawback.

having caugth this discussion late, its my simple minded opinion that what currently applies, paying a fixed amount for a fixed skill bonus, is... redundant. It can be removed completely with only result, us having less things to worry about when we "wake up" on medical clone and new players being abit less baffled in a game thats already too much to take in at first.

No to more frequent jump clones. There used enough the way they currently are. Considered clone insurance, but people would mess with the market rates on implants.

What they need to look at is removing the ability to pull out implants in space (you will then hear a lot of people screaming about this in lowsec).

There needs to be a pos module for clone storage and swapping (but disallows remote jumping to).

The attribute system is antiquated, based on a time when the concept of a mmo was based on d&d. The attributes hinder gameplay, and make people feel weaker because they can't afford the training buffs the veterans have.

Whole heartidly support pod killing by NPC. Only in a few scenarios though.

Standing 'to' a Faction / corp is terrible, and your sec status is negative. Watch out doing missions if you loose it.

You should have a fair chance to run and hide like anyother PVP (unlike concord who can own your a.ss). but a pod, hanging in 1.0 space with ~ -10, should be found by concord and killed if caught.

Anyone with positive standing is always safe from NPC podding, regardless.

actually ... just thought of this. The jealousy argument against vets is not really sound. Don't forget vets are already suffering from the lvl5 skill syndrome. Skill is designed to get massively slower for vets, to enable new players to catch up faster anyway, so the vets have got a big disadvantage there. Sure, points increase, but skill progression doesn't. If all levels of skill were equal in time, then yes, the implant bias would be obviously wrong. but, what the implanst do, to those that can afford/ want the risk etc... is just give a little boost in the level 5 ...(and there 'may' be some new skills that get caught up int it.

Learning implants should have went the way of Dodo along with the learning skills when they were removed. To me it would just be getting rid of dead weight not dumbing down the game.

Sigh.

I 100% disagree with the above ideas. This is the false assumption when it comes to having to buy attribute implants.

We have hostile fleets roaming through Deklein on an hourly basis. Most of those hostile fleets are interceptors- If we want to fight them and be competitive, we generally would need to fly smaller ships to be able to brawl.

Most of us in Deklein have at least +4s or +5s installed in our clone. If we wanted to go brawl with those interceptors, we would probably be flying a ship that is several times less valuable than our clone. Why would we then go shoot at them if the High Risk of getting blown up would cost 5 times as much as the ship we lost, when the Zero Risk option is just to dock up when we see hostiles enter system?

It's not like there is an actual threat from these roamers except to people not paying attention. There is no incentive to actually stay and fight at all because the nature of their fleets means that they're roaming looking for easy kills. This means that in order for us to have fun, we'd have to risk a high amount of isk- the majority of which in our pod- just to be able to shoot them.

By removing the need for Attribute Implants, instead of docking up and waiting for hostiles to leave, we could actually go out and have fun shooting them in whatever ships without worrying about tens or hundreds of millions of ISK in our pods- just for learning skills faster.

More destruction = more consumption = better for eve as a whole.

People docking up because of their +5 learning implants does absolutely nothing but hurt the game. Saying "it's a risk blah blah blah" is a short sighted and ******** argument because very few people would actually give up the ability to train skills faster in order to participate in one-off PVP as the situation arises.

I have yet to see an actual argument with a logical reason why attribute implants should stay in the game. So far, they have only been "but it's a risk they have to take waaaah" "ccp you're turning this game into wow" "you're turning EVE into a run of the mill mmo" "but i had to do it so should they" etc etc.

All of these arguments are literally ******** because they are based on unfounded thoughts that show complete lack of knowledge about how behavioral mechanics in Eve actually work. Taking learning implants out means that there is less value to a ship and pod when a pilot evaluates whether or not to go out and shoot someone. If someone is wearing +5's they generally won't undock in a frigate or interceptor or even a cruiser and go shoot people. Thus, attribute implants actually reduce the amount of PVP and things destroyed in the game because of an inflated risk evaluation.

Don't get me wrong, something will need to be added into LP stores to make up for the loss of Attribute Implants (Geckos? haha).