EVE General Discussion

Not sure how I feel about the exact numbers but replacing the learning implants with fitting implants is not a bad idea. It would be very useful for new-to-mid players... though there's some chance of imbalanced new builds arising.

As for the Training Speed:
I usually asses the probabiliy of loosing the pod for what i expect to do in the next day. Then i calculate what i earn in isk per time. And then i invest into my pod. So i would use hardwiring, when the attributes are gone. Maybe even more than now.
For me it "feels" like less possible error and more meaningful choice. Also less "work" for reattaching the right implants to the right skills. So maybe just straight +1%->+5% trainSpeedImplants (no matter attributes) would do it for me. But at the same time, trainspeedimplants are boring as mentioned/explained above several times by sb.else.
=> suggestion: +% trainSpeed-B O O S T E R (wears off on death of course) as replacement of attributeImplants.
That way, they are consumed already and even +5s decrease in value the more they reach wearoff. So once in a while they do not hinder pvp as much. Also, we still have the far future trainFaster-choice intact that seems vital to some players. Also there might be more use in pirate-implants as they no longer block each other, which will be interesting, but more of my thoughts on that below.

=> optional&interesting&funny: Implants use "BioStability"(=Calibration). If the implants exceed a certain stable level, there will be "interesing" effects. Also make it possible to equip a bomb to your Pod (use much biostab). If you are in your Pod, there is a button to activate it, if you do: suicide-attack! (only because it fits to the actual RL terrorist meta)

Thanks for reading. However this is just for inspiration. Nothing serious

Due to real life stuff, four years actual playtime, so I am hardly speaking as a bitter vet with zillions of skill points.

Even if we all train at the same speed from, say the 1st of March, new players can never catch up with older players.

I have always used +3s because it was a decision I made. To remove the ability of players to make personal choices in the game tends to be a bad thing.

all my toons are with +5
thats being said i do null sec pvp heavly with them
and i accept the risk i get when losing the ship and trying to save the pod and the implants .
now if u delete the learning implants what gives me a headstart on every1 else since i wanna risk more ?

honestly if my trainning get damped to be the same as any other player that will be the last nail in the coffen

i spent hours planning a perfect skill plan ( not considering the 300mills i pay when losing my pod(thats two +5 implants and 5 +3% skill hardwairing for my main) ) just to make sure i get that extra 90sp/hour over the rest of players to catch up with high sp pilots and now there is rumors of removing that .


CCP , please go **** with something else delete all the ships i dont care just dont touch skill training
and if u do touch skill training what will prevent u from making sp gaining an active thing like wow or other ****** mmo

It's almost like ccp wants to get rid of the learning system and switch to a XP base system and the way they been leaning the past few years it would not surprise me at all. The sandbox is slowly disappearing it is not the Implants that are keeping folks from 0.0 and pvp it is the players/ powerblocks/ insert name here/ . I have seen a lot of changes over the years and eve is getting smaller and smaller ....

April 23 2004 and hope to play 11 more years.

Its a game guys let's make it fun... Its all up to the player base not CCP

" Change is inevitable ....except from Vending machines "

I wouldn't worry about that:

a) It's already been tried, during beta IIRC. People orbited asteroids for hours shooting them with pulse lasers to level up their laser skill while they were at work.

b) An XP-for-Rats system doesn't work, because ratting is not a primary activity in this game.

c) given the problems they are already having with dogma, re-writing it to work on an XP based system would be a nightmare.

Seriously, if CCP is considering moving the game to an XP system, they are considering moving to Eve 2. The re-write would be so extensive they might as well just throw everything out and start from scratch. Seagull is not that stupid.

I like the idea of a training speed Booster pill. If it had a max duration of 24 hours (with the booster duration skill at 5) it would encourage people to log in every day to keep their SP gain up. The side effects could be a chance of -1 (scaled to implant) to one or more attributes. Which also slows training in some skills. So if you want the +5 pill you also have the most risk of getting a temporary attribute nerf.

To encourage the use of pirate sets why not set the learning pills to be a replacement for the set implant. So the +5 pill is also the high-grade omega implant set booster.

A synth skill booster could be awarded to noobs in the turorial and would not only show them that they can get a training bonus from pills but also introduce them to the other performance boosters. Since boosters are temporary I'd expect them to cost less for a single pill and would represent less isk loss in one go if podded. The pills could have a material cost that makes them cost the same as a full set of the current learning implants for a years supply. Plus you could time your consumption around your typical PvP play times anyway.

Also encouraging drug use is so very bad ass, and so very Eve!

One final thought with attributes. We all pick a race and a bloodline and a trade. If we are removing remapping and have default attributes why don't we make it so that we get skill category bonusses? For example Caldari can train shields and missiles slightly faster, Minmatar can train navigation and projectiles slightly faster etc. At the moment apart from the inital skill set given to new characters it makes absolutely no difference what you choose at character creation. It used to be your choice gave you fixed attributes that you could mitigate somewhat by the learning skills. Since that is no longer the case I think there should be some other permanent outcome to our choice.

People who do not want to pvp will find another reason beyond implants if you take them away.

EVE is a unique experience as it currently exists, I want it to evolve not to devolve into another run of the mill game.

Dev's please tread carefully when making this game simpler, part of it's appeal is that it is also a thinking person's game. You can be a mindless drone in a swarm gate camping or fighting sov wars for your masters if you do not want to think much or you can do market stuff, build stuff, and work in a powerful corp that explores everywhere.

EVE is not one size fits all, be careful going down that road.

Not "needing" something is not the same as saying that not using them won't impair your competitiveness and that you will definitely won't lose the only arms race that matters: sp.

People saying sp doesn't matter don't seem to recall the early days. Yeah you can take a catalyst out and gank a freighter or maybe a cruiser if you know what you're doing... but when you're new and stupid you will get murdered because you are playing chicken against luck of the draw on who you fight. This is a game where it actively punishes you for upsizing your ship.

This is a game where frigates do 80% of the dps of some cruisers despite being 10% of the cost. This is a game where you plateau in effectiveness eventually but not before being 37.5% better at the same job as someone just starting out. For any player in the game who doesn't spend every second of every day flying around in wormholes on combat duty the only logical answer is to have 1 clone with a set of +5 inside.

That's not risk vs reward, that's called sound business strategy.