Jita Park Speakers Corner

I expect CCP to implement changes for the long term benefit of Eve, and CCP Seagull among others have made bold and brave steps that for many I think have been extremely positive - for many a huge PITA. For me, the CSM is a body who should predict the outcomes to changes that CCP propose; anyone running under a banner of being 'for high sec' is someone who is against the rest of Eve in it's entirety and I can't find a single reason that anyone 'for high sec' should be heeded while everything should trickle down to high sec not the other way around. Skill should dominate over the risk vs. reward thing, and skill is something folks seem to conveniently forget about whenever balancing of anything is mentioned in Eve and I've not come across many folks who are exclusively high sec players who develop any kind of skill that would be pertinent in any discussion of risk vs. reward.

As far as I'm concerned, where YOU chose to live in the Eve universe should not define who and what you are, your skills as a pilot, as a mission runner, an indy character, as a miner, a trader or an explorer should. Eve should be Eve regardless of where you are, but high sec as it stands now provides the perception to players that they are safe regardless of sec status, standings or almost anything else - a nonsense. Perception, or what a player believes is correct regardless of what the game or or all the game's players think has been the biggest problem in Eve as long as I've been playing.

For example, when I first started playing I was really pissed off about T2BPOs and that fact I couldn't earn one in with in game mechanics like in the old days; to me 'invention' was a personal insult while those older players who 'had been lucky' could produce what I wanted to faster, quicker and cheaper. It's irrelevant whether I was right or not; I quit Eve because of what I believed to be correct at that time, and I'm not the most original person about so others will have done the same before me for exactly the same reasons.

If I believe I do not have the means to compete, then my competition has already won regardless of whether a battle was fought or not. Like in my first week in Eve a Hulk starts mining the same asteroid as I was and I felt completely powerless to do anything about it (I'd not come across things like suicide ganking or bumping,) and I'd bet there are hundreds if not thousands of new players who have been through that scenario who have done nothing but get angry at their keyboards.

I think that most players can handle other players beating them, but when the system is perceived to be beating them at the same time it doesn't make much difference what you do to address what those players think - it's too late, they've either quit, docked up for a week or buggered off to play something else - at the very least they've got frustrated feeling powerless when they should be empowered by being immortal. I've played that boring game where I couldn't undock, couldn't fight unless under absurd terms but could spin ships - it was called Eve online. There is no need for high sec under such circumstances where a player has the perception that they cannot fight back, and that perception over time becomes the carebear ethos which I view as a cancer.

So, prospective high sec CSM candidates I ask a question:

What is the purpose and function of high sec?

I did a preliminary search of EVE-Kill. It is difficult to find losses by ship type, but I searched the recent kill history of CONCORD Police Captain and found these two pilots without more than scratching the surface:
Gallie Crendraven
Gohman Patrouette

These might indeed be throwaway gank alts. They are fairly fresh characters with no killboard history prior to the time they began ganking, both within the previous month. What's more, they might be owned by the same person. They have ganked together a few times.

Just because Jenshae didn't show evidence to support his claim, it doesn't mean your claim that he's wrong is definitely right. I'm leaning toward believing that people really do have throw-away gank alts, and I believe that gankers should be encouraged to prefer their mains.

If you think it's a thing... try it.

I dare you. On Reaver's account. Make a gank alt, cook him for a couple of days, go on a gank spree to neg five or so, then biomass it.

Make sure to say goodbye before you do.

If not, admit that it's a lie.

I have pondered actually spreading out my ganks across multiple characters. It's very nice to get that freebie margin, and it's a lot of work trying to get my sec status back up. It's a tough call sometimes trying to decide whether I'd prefer spending training time or ratting time, though both can be paid off with money. I haven't done any number crunching though, so I don't know what's cheaper, buying back sec status or training an alt. I honestly can't say, I'm just not the one to ask. But I'd wager that if there's a large difference on the two, it'll solve the mystery right then and there.

I know how to do all that but it's a logistical pain. You have to make all of your moves quick, so you have to know what you're doing beforehand. I like to mope around lazily looking for gank targets without having to scoot every time I exit warp just because the navy is after me.

No, I'm saying that I'm not likely to dip into the yellow unless I have previously planned a way back up. And don't try to infer other pirates' mentalities from mine because many of them are a lot more comfortable in lowsec than I am.

You know, it's very likely that there are pirates who use untrained alt accounts to scout for ganks and use their main or a well-trained alt to perform the gank. This would help one circumvent the Navy in order to scout around comfortably. It's only speculation but it seems like a good idea, therefore I assume there are some people who do it.

The purpose of High Sec is the same as the purpose of Low Sec or of Null Sec.

The function of High Sec seems to be to trap a large majority of players here, that never get the chance to see another side of the game... and feel that they are entitled to the protection of the Developers, and that game play methods that have been there since the beginning are actually mean and unkind. But that is something that the NPE should work on fixing.

The function of High Sec should be to provide a bit more "security" from piracy and stuff... than Low Sec does... and to provide the Capsuleers with different challenges with regards to taxation, trading, war and so on. Unfortunately the vast majority of my care bear cousins will never know that threads like this exist. Why I expect that they don't even know that the forums exist!

This is one of the things that really has to change, in order for High Sec to become more than it is at the moment.

Honestly, I see your point but im wondering why you dont apply the same beliefs to the rest of EVE. SOV should be discarded completely, CCP could put stations everywhere so that industry keeps going but if your corp is mostly / entirely offline between 0400 and 0800 expect to come back to your station surrounded by reds. Want your products out of the station then you better be willing to fight for them or pay to get 'safe' passage out. (yes i know that this would require adjustments for titans like allowing them to dock and be built in station).

If we are going to pull the safety net out from highsec players then it is time we did the same for the rest of EVE. Let the carnage begin!

Raising faction in highsec takes quite a bit of time as things currently stand, with your proposal someone trying to gain faction as a newbie flying level one missions is going to be griefed into finding another game to play. Also, the established alliances / corps / players will do their best to make sure you never reach or leave a highsec dock.. Even if you did persist and reached level 10 faction the aggressors will figure out the AI of the defending force and nullify it. Human IQ > computer AI.

I am winding down for the days so will just cherry pick one now.

No thanks.
I PVP, have more PVP than I want. I could rat and make more ISK but that is too active.
When I am semi-AFK mining, I am dealing with EVE mails, e-mails, chatting to people, organising things RL and in EVE, ... so on and so forth.

Basically, I am taking some down time between fighting and social-bleh to make a bit of ISK and relax. Make mining an active thing and I will just dock up and do those other things.
One less target for people to cry about not having enough around.