EVE General Discussion

Paying real life currency to beat players who are inherently better than you in any game would solve all this Mumblejumbo rermoving atributes points and implants and Advantage that 10 year veterans Have. I just cant wait till Permadeath. The Future is casual gamers.

What are the chances that these "new implants we will create" will be less strong ones but more funky ones? Warp speed implants together with agility, just a few % mind you but "worth it". Sensor strength increasing combined with targeting range, stuff like that. Implants that would bring clone cost to 50-200 mil for a "nice set". High SP chars aren't paying for clones anymore so that pretty much makes up for it, "these are awesome, gotta have them!", "for this doctrine everyone fit these, cost 150 mil". It'll happen.

I wouldn't object to a re-working of implants. Maybe mirror them more closely (than they already are) to Skills and Meta level.

Ie, you have the T1 Attribute +1 to +5. Then a T2 varient, then a faction/officer etc varient (just like most other modules and ships - thus totally no more advantageous than any other form of advancement in EVE).

Then you have a "mixed implant", which is the same base as the above, but, you can add together with a second part to enhance a skill. Maybe not each specific skill, but maybe that might be an idea. My initial thoughts was for everything you train in eve, there should be an option to boost that ability via the mixer. Maybe only generic skills, such as +1% refine up to +5% refine etc, which you can then intersect with the basic implants. If they're sold seperatly, and you mix and match (much like T3) you can make your own preferred implants, at your own level. And, with a maximum of 10 Jump Clones, you can effectively 'focus' on ten skills. So, you can have a refining clone, a PVE clone, a Manufacturing clone, ... or be more specific and have a Medium Gunnery Clone, and a Large Gunnery Clone, or a Warp clone. The advantage towards older players is lost, the more specific skills are availlbe.

Maybe, these mixer skill implants could be a kind of invention activity based off Skill Books, and consumes jove or Sleeper equipment and said skill book.

Hmm, I made that up as I went along, but the basic concept actually sounds pretty decent. Sure there's holes that need to be pulgged, but, anyway, there you go. :)

Nah, they will think of another excuse to not PvP.

High SP players were never paying 200 mil isk for a clone. No one has 400 mil SP. I was paying ~20 mil isk IIRC. Clone Grades were terrible option to either lose SP or lose isk. SP is worth a heck of a lot more than isk so I bought myself a clone upgrade. Not having to pay for clone upgrades is nice because I no longer have to pay a cost I didn't want to pay. I am not thinking "oh ~20 mil isk to spent on implants!" I am thinking "Oh ~20 mil isk to spend on a ship or [insert X goal here]". By purchasing a clone upgrade I was never prevented from purchasing additional combat implants. If I wanted to do that then I would have. You can take a look at the pod mails to see that many others chose not to use combat implant then, and still don't use combat implants now.

You can take the CA-X Genolutions as an example of the implants CCP will create. Do not get me wrong. These are powerful implants.Their bonus maxes out at less than a 4% bonus if my math is correct. While powerful, the implants are not overpowered. There is a vast opportunity here to create new and interesting implants that will allow people to do things they weren't able to do before. If you decide that a few implants worth it then more power to you. If you choose to requre certain implants for a doctrine then more power to you. That is Eve Online. You have meaningful choices and consequences. These implants will not give you and edge that someone else can't take away with skill, by bringing friends, flying the counter to your ship, using EWAR, etc.

CCP has a pretty good grasp on how to balance. I know you can cite Ishtars and Tengus as unbalanced right now. But for every ships or module they made too powerful they got a dozen of other ships and modules right. CCP knows that the Tengu and the Ishtar are unbalanced and are taking a look at them. CCP doesn't like unbalanced things anymore than the players do. They know it is in no one's interest to have Ishtars Online. So if they create an implant that is too powerful then they will work to get it fixed eventually.

If only I could still like those posts, I always like good posts.

Hi I just wanted to give my opinion on this. I think skill training speed should be independent of implants - I do spend about 50 mill ISK on my pod (I have a complete set of +3's), and if the learning implants were removed, I would not. In fact this is the primary barrier to me risking my ship right now, and is why I stay in high-sec to mine and do missions.

I don't want to give up that edge on skill training. IMO the skill system is dumb - linking your character progress to an endless timer means whoever has the fastest timer wins. Lots of players would argue otherwise, but the fact is a 20 mil+ SP character fundamentally has more fun than a 2 mil SP character. If that wasn't the case, the character bazaar wouldn't exist - we wouldn't have any need for it.

So yes, if learning implants didn't exist, I would play the game differently.

What a pile of fluff. I wouldn't fly something worth more than maybe 5 mil into low/nul. A T1 fit frigate or cruiser would work fine. Actually I have done this before, and got by butt handed to me. It wasn't the loss of the ship that hurt, it was the loss of my implants which were far more expensive.

You don't know anything about me, so I would appreciate it if you didn't tell me what I would or would not do.

If you lose a pod in low it really is your fault for they are 100% avoidable. a t1 fit cruiser cost more than 5 mil.

also Jump clones, go 19 hours with out implants its not that long.

You've never jumped into a gate camp before, have you? You can't escape if your pod can't warp and is 15 kilometers from the gate.

I'm not a walking market index.