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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#61 - 2015-01-25 18:37:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaldi Tsukaya
Anyone who doesn't see the issues with legal use of copyrights should look at Disney for examples. They ruthlessly pursue any and all infringements on their copyrights. Doesn't matter if you are Mom&Pop, or Ebay.

CCP is doing what their LEGAL department is telling them to do.
Deal with it.

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#62 - 2015-01-25 18:56:21 UTC
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Anyone who doesn't see the issues with legal use of trademarks should look at Disney for examples. They ruthlessly pursue any and all infringements on their copyrights. Doesn't matter if you are Mom&Pop, or Ebay.

You clearly don't understand the discussion if you can't tell the difference between trademarks and copyrights, and if you think this is CCP's copyright that's at stake. It isn't.

Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
CCP is doing what their LEGAL department is telling them to do.
Deal with it.

Except their legal department is wrong.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#63 - 2015-01-25 21:33:45 UTC
Why is this being made so complicated? What?

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#64 - 2015-01-25 21:36:27 UTC
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Mag's
Azn Empire
#65 - 2015-01-25 21:37:15 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning.
Is it? P

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#66 - 2015-01-25 21:42:33 UTC
Mag's wrote:
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning.
Is it? P
Eh...

Now it is!

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#67 - 2015-01-25 21:51:12 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Thread reopened (Yes, really!)

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Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2015-01-25 22:19:19 UTC
Ok If I Copyrigh a Name and use it as a In game Corp at Eve Online. and wanted to use that Logo for sponsorship and advertising would I be able to use it?Would I have to tranfer ownership to CCP? It seems I cant according to the EULA.If Not Can it Be Ammended Yes . So How can we Proceed By doing That?

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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#69 - 2015-01-25 23:09:58 UTC
Solops Crendraven wrote:
Ok If I Copyrigh a Name and use it as a In game Corp at Eve Online. and wanted to use that Logo for sponsorship and advertising would I be able to use it?Would I have to tranfer ownership to CCP? It seems I cant according to the EULA.If Not Can it Be Ammended Yes . So How can we Proceed By doing That?


A name cannot be copyrighted. That would be registering a trademark.
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2015-01-25 23:37:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Solops Crendraven
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Solops Crendraven wrote:
Ok If I Copyrigh a Name and use it as a In game Corp at Eve Online. and wanted to use that Logo for sponsorship and advertising would I be able to use it?Would I have to tranfer ownership to CCP? It seems I cant according to the EULA.If Not Can it Be Ammended Yes . So How can we Proceed By doing That?


A name cannot be copyrighted. That would be registering a trademark.
Ok so I register a Trademark a Name and use it as a In game Corp at Eve Online. and wanted to use that Logo for sponsorship and advertising would I be able to use it?Would I have to transfer ownership to CCP? It seems I cant according to the EULA.If Not Can it Be Ammended Yes . So How can we Proceed By doing That?

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Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2015-01-26 00:56:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dradis Aulmais
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Here I was thinking we elected CSM representatives, not a bunch of yes-men.
Watermarks are stupid. They're going to look stupid. Furthermore they're completely unnecessary.

CCP does not need ownership of the alliance logos in the game. All they need is an irrevocable, unconditional license to use.
That's what we've been telling them from the very beginning, and it's something they've completely ignored.

If you actually cared, Steve, you or ANYONE ELSE in attendance would have mentioned this license to use, but nobody did. I'm completely underwhelmed by your handling of this situation.

So the holdup is not technical. Again, instead of regurgitating what they told you, dig a little bit deeper. The holdup is organizational culture and nothing more. This can be resolved now without any changes to the game code.



No matter what happens you will not be happy. Get over it. This is the way CCP wants to run it, don't like it dont sub your account. Vote with your money cuz your mouth ain't doing the job.

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#72 - 2015-01-26 03:27:46 UTC
If the logos end up as CCP property, I'll just keep on keeping on.

If they end up becoming player owned, I'll have little bee t-shirts on eBay faster than the Mittani can yell lawsuit.

Mr Epeen Cool
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#73 - 2015-01-26 03:34:13 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Here I was thinking we elected CSM representatives, not a bunch of yes-men.
Watermarks are stupid. They're going to look stupid. Furthermore they're completely unnecessary.

CCP does not need ownership of the alliance logos in the game. All they need is an irrevocable, unconditional license to use.
That's what we've been telling them from the very beginning, and it's something they've completely ignored.

If you actually cared, Steve, you or ANYONE ELSE in attendance would have mentioned this license to use, but nobody did. I'm completely underwhelmed by your handling of this situation.

So the holdup is not technical. Again, instead of regurgitating what they told you, dig a little bit deeper. The holdup is organizational culture and nothing more. This can be resolved now without any changes to the game code.



No matter what happens you will not be happy.

Really? Are you me? You know what'll make me happy?
No, you aren't, and you don't.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2015-01-26 05:26:33 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Here I was thinking we elected CSM representatives, not a bunch of yes-men.
Watermarks are stupid. They're going to look stupid. Furthermore they're completely unnecessary.

CCP does not need ownership of the alliance logos in the game. All they need is an irrevocable, unconditional license to use.
That's what we've been telling them from the very beginning, and it's something they've completely ignored.

If you actually cared, Steve, you or ANYONE ELSE in attendance would have mentioned this license to use, but nobody did. I'm completely underwhelmed by your handling of this situation.

So the holdup is not technical. Again, instead of regurgitating what they told you, dig a little bit deeper. The holdup is organizational culture and nothing more. This can be resolved now without any changes to the game code.



No matter what happens you will not be happy.

Really? Are you me? You know what'll make me happy?
No, you aren't, and you don't.



Seem to have struck a nerve. Truth hurts.

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#75 - 2015-01-26 05:31:59 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
Seem to have struck a nerve. Truth hurts.

Are you 12? This is how 12 year olds argue.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2015-01-26 12:20:24 UTC
You seem to be under this mistaken impression that CCP must cater to you. CCP does not have to accept your logo. If they do this is how they are going to do it.

You forget that CCP is first and foremost a profit making company that operates a cross several nations. Their legal team told thin that if they were to accept player made logos this is how they need to do it to protect themselves. No matter how much you try to lawyer it and how much ranting you do. CCP says this is the way it will be done.

You now have three options

1. Keep your account and not submit your logo.
2. Keep your account and accept they way it is and submit your logo
3. Unsub in protest
HTFU

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2015-01-26 12:37:07 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
I thought a lawyer ran your outfit.
So you want to sell stuff that's not yours and CCP won't let you? Cool.

Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
A: Accountants know they're boring.


As an accountant, I second this.

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2015-01-26 12:49:48 UTC
A housewife an accountant and a lawyer were asked how much is 2+2

The housewife says 4

The accountant says its ether 3 or 4. Let's run the numbers on my spreadsheet.

The lawyer pulls the drapes, dims the lights and asks in a hush tone "what number do you want it to be?

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2015-01-26 12:52:22 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
A housewife an accountant and a lawyer were asked how much is 2+2

The housewife says 4

The accountant says its ether 2 or 8. Let's see what we need to end up with..

The lawyer pulls the drapes, dims the lights and asks in a hush tone "what number do you want it to be?


fixed it.

"Lykouleon wrote:

STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#80 - 2015-01-26 13:04:13 UTC
Shouldn't it just be something like 'By submitting your alliance logo to CCP for approval, you give full legal rights to use it however they want.'? The creator is the owner and CCP has rights to approve/disapprove and use it how they want in their videos and what not.

Sounds like a pretty typical EULA kind of thing. Not sure why CCP had to go all legal on alliance logos then not say anything for a year.

Not today spaghetti.