EVE General Discussion

That is such a fringe situation it's not even funny and probably made up.

It's the same with remaps. You're not being penalised if you use a well rounded attrib remap but you get a bonus if you go for a focussed one. So you just answered that one yourself.

So, the main reason to completely change the game and lose "choices have consequences" is because some random alts will have it easier? How is that in any way a valid reason.

please no... I would rather have learning skill books back then have them make this change.

How does removing implants etc give more game play options. At the end of the day, if you dont want to use them then dont plug them in. Then you can fly and die as many times as you want.

Removing them hoping that people will do more PVP is stupid.

You read that all wrong, what he actually said was "this will make it a lot easier for me, fck the game. I want things easy, without effort and instant. I just tried to make it sound as if I had a valid reason".

I've suggested years ago to remove learning implants because all they do is make people more risk-averse.

PvP is blobby and gank-based for many reasons, and learning implants are one of those reasons. Yes, you can function perfectly without, but fact is that using them gives you a non-insignificant bonus in the only thing in Eve that you cannot get with isk - skillpoints. In general, people will use learning implants and are thus risk-averse.

The same thing for remaps. While I concur the current system is a TON better than the original one, you still lock people into training a certain subset of skills for a year at the time, unless they want to penalize themselves for cross-training. Especially with higher ranked skills, the difference in training time is not measured in hours, but in days. In a game where skillpoints basically cost money is it strange that most people will want to get the most sp/hr they can possibly get?

The best thing that could happen, IMO, is:

- Remove all attributes altogether. They make no sense, do not have any effect on what your character can do and how well he or she can do it. They only determine how long it takes before he or she can do it. They are basically only in the game because every MMO/RPG has them, but unlike in those games, a PvP trained character does not do more damage because he has a higher perception and a trader character does not pay less market fees because his charisma is high.

- Make training speed static. Maybe just set it at whatever the current max is with +5 implants, or use a nice and round number like 2500 SP/hour (that is about what you get with +3's). Make it impossible to increase this training speed (except for maybe the new player implant) so that everyone trains at the same speed and every skill trains at the same speed.

- Remove attribute implants. Replace said attribute implants with a TON of new and exciting (and useful!) hardwiring implants. All of which of course are destroyed upon clone death. Especially in industry/exploration/trade there are still hundreds of things you could improve with implants. You still get to spend isk to get an edge in whatever field you want the edge in, but that edge is no longer subscription time but instead, ya know, an actual ingame edge.

- And for the love of god, streamline the names. Rename everything to lowgrade/midgrade/highgrade so we don't have to remember two hundred odd letter combinations.

There. Better game.

You can create a clone with no implants and go pvp all you want now. Or join a corp with a ship replacement program....but I am sure there will always be a reason why not to pvp. Just accept pvp is not your thing. Its a sandbox, all play styles are welcome.

Those who want to pve are doing so. Those that want to pvp are doing so. Those that like to do both are doing so.

But no amount of change will force those who want to pve to pvp. All it would do is force CCP to make changes to try and entice which would just **** off the pvp'rs. Which is funny because the change was made to get pve players to pvp like the pvp players want.


Puts on TinFoil Hat of Conspiracy: This sounds more like an agenda to try lower training time by linking new player/carebear retention to it...aka carebears avoid pvp because of implants.

Implant slots 1 through 5 will still be used, just used for implant sets. As they are quite expensive, death will still have meaning.

CCP is sensitive to the three "creeps": power creep (new ships and modules making old ones irrelevant), cost creep (inflation) and complexity creep (expansions slowly make the game more complex and less accessible to new players). Removing the attribute system allows introduction of complexity elsewhere, in a future expansion.

In my point of view I think the best way is CCP should make some options for each players to decide their play style.
Nobody should told anybody that this style of playing is right this style is wrong. If CCP still hold on theier concept that EVE is a sandbox game.They should give that decisions for players to decide.

But Sandbox concept is not let players doing anything they want without any responsibity. I just hope CCP might keep EVE in terms of responsibilty to any enjoyments should not come from another players's suffers . Enjoyments from that is like bullying . I think no one like to be Bullied so CCP might looking for that kind of fun with cautious.May be like make option for players who just need only PVE and don't want to PVP. When player declare themself that they don't want to PVP another players should understood and respect not to violate their rights. If anyone violate that it sound like violate in anothers player rights or humanrights too.

You can do that just fine, by choosing an all round remap.