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Okay, so, seriously.

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Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#1 - 2015-01-24 00:49:26 UTC
As much as it pains me, fine, I'll be respectful and constructive.
CCP, when are you going to resolve the issue with alliance logos? It's been six months since the last CCP post in the official thread, and almost a year since submissions themselves were suspended.
We told you from the start that your approach was unnecessary and abusive, so you've responded by stonewalling us and hoping we'd forget about it.
Dak Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-01-24 00:51:25 UTC
I would like a cool fiery-looking logo next to my lossmails.
Orlacc
#3 - 2015-01-24 00:51:39 UTC
I thought a lawyer ran your outfit.


So you want to sell stuff that's not yours and CCP won't let you? Cool.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
#4 - 2015-01-24 01:01:01 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
I thought a lawyer ran your outfit.


So you want to sell stuff that's not yours and CCP won't let you? Cool.


Dude are you joking? Are you taking ccps side in this? I sugget you go read the thread that is over 1 YEAR OLD.

They wanted to own playermade IP. Players said ummm no and its illegal. They then said its suspended and tried to hush it up almost a year
Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#5 - 2015-01-24 01:03:42 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
As much as it pains me, fine, I'll be respectful and constructive.
CCP, when are you going to resolve the issue with alliance logos? It's been six months since the last CCP post in the official thread, and almost a year since submissions themselves were suspended.
We told you from the start that your approach was unnecessary and abusive, so you've responded by stonewalling us and hoping we'd forget about it.


INB4L
Starting another previously locked thread is a sure way of getting a slap from ISD.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-01-24 01:04:54 UTC
Reported for redundancy,

CCP runs the game as they see fit.

End of story

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#7 - 2015-01-24 01:05:56 UTC
Miko Jin wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
As much as it pains me, fine, I'll be respectful and constructive.
CCP, when are you going to resolve the issue with alliance logos? It's been six months since the last CCP post in the official thread, and almost a year since submissions themselves were suspended.
We told you from the start that your approach was unnecessary and abusive, so you've responded by stonewalling us and hoping we'd forget about it.


INB4L
Starting another previously locked thread is a sure way of getting a slap from ISD.

I corrected the reasons for the lock.
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-01-24 01:07:43 UTC
If you read the winter min they said they are likely going to do logo creation with a premade systems

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

Free The Scope Three
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#9 - 2015-01-24 01:08:28 UTC
Having alliance logos available again would sure be nice. Getting kind of tired of having an alliance logo that rightfully belongs to a different player community, but the logo freeze came into effect just as we were in the process of updating it.

How hard can it be?
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#10 - 2015-01-24 01:09:14 UTC
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
If you read the winter min they said they are likely going to do logo creation with a premade systems

Unacceptable.
Marsha Mallow
#11 - 2015-01-24 01:11:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Trenchcoats
Buy yours now before they become OP and everyone has one
Get in quick before they start selling neckbeards, binoculars and paunches in the NES store

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Grivan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-01-24 01:16:08 UTC
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
If you read the winter min they said they are likely going to do logo creation with a premade systems

Unacceptable.


I read the winter minutes as saying that an alliance could submit any logo they wanted, to which they would own the copyright (as per copyright law).

CCP would then modify that logo by adding an EVE/CCP trademark to the logo, which would then be used in-game/merchandising/advertising etc.

It could be the other way round, whereby players have to use the branded logo when using it outside of the game.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#13 - 2015-01-24 01:17:38 UTC
The Great Karnak predicts....

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#14 - 2015-01-24 01:26:36 UTC
Games workshop got around this problem by saying that any imagery or art or modifications done within the context of their fiction or game universe automatically becomes their property upon submission. It was a blanket snatch&grab tactic but under british law apparently the only way to prevent arguments like this.

CCP could look in to it like that. The service (servers) are hosted in the UK so by all rights they're subject to british law. While an amendment to their policy could not retroactively allow them to take ownership of things already submitted it will allow players to submit new stuff but under the knowledge that CCP takes control of it for marketing purposes.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#15 - 2015-01-24 01:27:50 UTC
Grivan wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
If you read the winter min they said they are likely going to do logo creation with a premade systems

Unacceptable.


I read the winter minutes as saying that an alliance could submit any logo they wanted, to which they would own the copyright (as per copyright law).

CCP would then modify that logo by adding an EVE/CCP trademark to the logo, which would then be used in-game/merchandising/advertising etc.

It could be the other way round, whereby players have to use the branded logo when using it outside of the game.

That sounds like a reasonable solution, whichever way it goes. All the players want is a cool feature that allows them to input even a little bitmap worth of content into the game.
Grivan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-01-24 01:37:36 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Games workshop got around this problem by saying that any imagery or art or modifications done within the context of their fiction or game universe automatically becomes their property upon submission. It was a blanket snatch&grab tactic but under british law apparently the only way to prevent arguments like this.

CCP could look in to it like that. The service (servers) are hosted in the UK so by all rights they're subject to british law. While an amendment to their policy could not retroactively allow them to take ownership of things already submitted it will allow players to submit new stuff but under the knowledge that CCP takes control of it for marketing purposes.


I'm no copyright lawyer, but copyright is granted instantly when a work is created and is applicable to the country it is created in (that is, the artist who makes the logo in Germany is subject to German copyright law, that it is then uploaded to a CCP server in the UK is irrelevant). I use Germany as an example because people pointed out that under German law it is impossible to transfer copyright, other than following death - thus CCP could never, ever claim copyright over an artwork created by someone resident in Germany; even if they wanted CCP to have it.

You also can't claim copyright by just saying "by giving this to us, you also give us the copyright".

The solution involving adding a watermark/brand effectively generates two artworks I believe, thus giving CCP the right to one and the artist the right to the other.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#17 - 2015-01-24 01:38:12 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Games workshop got around this problem by saying that any imagery or art or modifications done within the context of their fiction or game universe automatically becomes their property upon submission. It was a blanket snatch&grab tactic but under british law apparently the only way to prevent arguments like this.

No, this is what started the argument in the first place.

Caleb Seremshur wrote:
CCP could look in to it like that. The service (servers) are hosted in the UK so by all rights they're subject to british law.

People submitting content are subject to the laws of their resident countries, which may prohibit this.
Eldwinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-01-24 01:51:27 UTC
ib4l. Why are we yelling now!?
Noriko Mai
#19 - 2015-01-24 02:23:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Noriko Mai
I support this! It's a shame that they are unable and/or unwilling to solve this problem. It's stupid that alliances can't use their logos as they wish because of idiot lawyer bullshit.

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Noriko Mai
#20 - 2015-01-24 02:31:45 UTC
Grivan wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Games workshop got around this problem by saying that any imagery or art or modifications done within the context of their fiction or game universe automatically becomes their property upon submission. It was a blanket snatch&grab tactic but under british law apparently the only way to prevent arguments like this.

CCP could look in to it like that. The service (servers) are hosted in the UK so by all rights they're subject to british law. While an amendment to their policy could not retroactively allow them to take ownership of things already submitted it will allow players to submit new stuff but under the knowledge that CCP takes control of it for marketing purposes.


I'm no copyright lawyer, but copyright is granted instantly when a work is created and is applicable to the country it is created in (that is, the artist who makes the logo in Germany is subject to German copyright law, that it is then uploaded to a CCP server in the UK is irrelevant). I use Germany as an example because people pointed out that under German law it is impossible to transfer copyright, other than following death - thus CCP could never, ever claim copyright over an artwork created by someone resident in Germany; even if they wanted CCP to have it.

You also can't claim copyright by just saying "by giving this to us, you also give us the copyright".

The solution involving adding a watermark/brand effectively generates two artworks I believe, thus giving CCP the right to one and the artist the right to the other.

True that. Only thing you can give to someone is legal right of use. That's it. But as far as I understand this lawyer shittalk it's like this: CCP says they own rights if you submit it and can do what the want with the logo. You give the legal right of use to CCP and can't use it on your own for let's say T-Shirts or on your alliance homepage and what not.

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
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