Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you don't let them into your system, they aren't there to light a cyno.

Heck, you even have the wonderful foreknowledge of exactly where they will be coming from, unlike wormholes which open up in random spots.

But asking for a one button solution to someone being cloaked in your system? That's just not how it works.

no one is asking for a one-button-solution. *sigh* Just level field.

What is the disadvantage/vulnerability in using the cloak for it's intended purpose?

(read that carefully ... as your answer should not include 'well you can't fire', because, clearly, when you're cloaked that is no longer your objective, seeing as you are cloaked ergo secret, ergo, firing a weapon would mean you're no longer secret).

The part of this discussion you are totally ignoring is that this is only a 'problem' in nullsec. Why do you think that is?

Wormhole residents don't even know if someone is sitting next to them... cloaked 100% of the time in 20 T3's waiting to spring a trap on them.

The reason it is a problem in nullsec is that it's the only place where this amount of whining is tolerated by CCP and also that's the best place to AFK rat.

It takes a ship a minimum of about 5 seconds (with max skills) to be able to target you after dropping cloak. Unless he dropped cloak in warp to you in which case you should have been watching d-scan.

P.S. He's in your home but you can't muster enough people to stop a blops gang? I assume their dropping triage since you can't stop them. Drop more triage and T1 battleships or supers. It's not complicated. Survival of the fittest.

Hi, sorry, at work, so very skim reading. hehe, soz. Yeah, I see now your point at the end.

Hmm, it is a solution of sorts, granted. Not sure it's in keeping with EVE though, freezing the user interface wise.

It's a sticky issue. On the one hand a cloak is a cloak, it needs to be impenetratble, else it's not a cloak (merely a delaying of dectection tactic). On the other hand, the operation of a cloak seems weird that it's effectively like just putting on a coat - ie no detriment to the ship. There's zero (or effectively zero) cap usage to project the cloak, so there's no run down ability. There's no degradation of the cloak (like with som crystals etc) ... it's literally a win button once on. There is no expense in the operation of the cloak. Granted there is a counter exiting and re-entering the cloak, but the second is useless unless you're forced to de-cloak as part of the cloak (only the stupid decloak and then recloak, unless they're in active combat in which case it's the whole log-off argument, which is different). And the former is a 'tut tut you were cloaked, so you can't gain an advantage in using that to lock osmeone like younnormally would. (which I also think is dumb). Cloak penalties should be incurred when cloaked, not after decloaking - or through fitting penalties.

But, that's just my thoughts.

appologies for typos. :)

How dare you ask them to effort??!?1

This is another example of what's wrong with the 'anti-afk cloak' crowd. see how it is focused OUTWARD, towards what someone else is doing. There is also a smidgen of false equivalence here, with the whole "they are bieng risk averse too!!!".

I don't care at all about someone avoiding risk. When i use my "screw you mr afk guy" fits and tactics (everything from triple boxing 3 remote rep Domis, which means the bad guys gotta bring a serious fleet to kill me, to 'getting creative' with fighter assist) I'm avoiding risk too...by playing the game, not by begging mommy (CCP) to play the game for me).

(side note, DID YOU KNOW that you can assign fighters to A CHEAP TANKED INDUSTRIAL with a magical tank, from a carrier sitting on the undock of a station and keep ratting risking only a mining ship during a visit by an afk cloaker? Of course you don't, you're too busy trying to find ways to get someone to fix it for you rather than figuring it out yourself)



Who needs to change a Mechanic when the game gives you everything you need? Mobile Cyno in hibitor + knowing which anomalies to do (DID YOU KNOW) that things like the rings in Ring Sanctum and the Rock in "pirate gate" haven can protect you from BLOPS drops by keeping you out of range of most scrams as well as decloaking things trying to kill you??? Again, OF COUSE YOU DON'T lol because instead of playing the game and learning you're on a forum screaming 'horseshit' at people who actually know how to play )

Oh yea, and here is an example of the "Fighter Ratting" industrial I use to thumb my nose at the AFK cloakers you people somehow can't deal with:

[Badger, Fighter Ratting]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Surprisingly, an INDUSTRIAL ship can carry a lot of cap boosters. but keep at range (+50k) with the AB on and you almost never need em.

No not as good as using a carrier directly or some pirate BS, but how much isk are yall making when cowering from an afk cloaker I wonder? This ship (and a carrier outside a pos or on a staiton undock in docking range) makes more than the zero isk the guys cowering will make. If they want to hot drop a ship that costs 12 million isk, let em, just remember to send the fighters back lol.

And that concludes this episode of 'learn2EVEuNUB'. Stay tuned for out next exciting adventure.

Exactly, this isn't about risk adverse. This is about making the cloak have to actively do something to stay cloaked, and give the opportunity, though not easily, to pursue with a view to combat. That is not risk adverse.

It has been stated it can be done to preserve those who are active and cloaked, so that with effort and a modicum of skill they can remain safe. But it means those unattended become increasingly more vulnerable to exposure - which is fair considering they're not actually playing the game but still able to influence the game whilst undocked.

actually, I find it more akin to "whine, person logged off as I attacked them, make it so that they're ship stays behind so I can kill them for being chicken" ... clearly adapt and learn to kill better using existing tools 'argument' didn't work. For the same reason - there are none. :-)

well said ...