Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I pointed out how sov holding systems had an even greater advantage, over simply unclaimed or NPC space.

It is a key detail, that the stereo-typed situation is regarding a cloaked presence in hostile sov space.

As to them permanently camping a system, what of it?

They are not stopping any of your activities. Only YOU can do that.
Apparantly:
You are afraid they will destroy your ship, so you do not undock.
You feel bored just sitting in a ship that can fight back, so you do not undock.
You imply that you cannot know the composition of their possible forces, particularly due to cyno options, so you do not undock.

Why don't you simply do like they do?
Undock in a ship that can either fight back, or avoid the hostiles.
You CAN PvE in evasive or combat capable hulls. It may not be as efficient, but you seem to value the confrontation.
Let the cloaked guy sweat for a change, while you actually play the game.

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Actually, the suggestion that cloaking needs to change has never been proven.
AFK camping can be done by anyone who is both AFK, and not located by anyone due to inability or lack of effort.
It has been demonstrated that this effect can be achieved by simply flying to a safe spot, and letting everyone else assume the rest.
This ignores the obvious, that someone can simply sit in an outpost, and achieve that same effect.

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They can't do anything. That is the ironic aspect of this whole thing.
The threat and supporting details are all being provided by those seeing the supposedly hostile name in local.
In the event they intend genuine harm, first they must stop being AFK, then they must stop being cloaked.
Either state, being AFK or cloaked, is enough to ensure they are harmless. Quite literally.

And the idea that they might attack with little warning, this seems to be the REAL issue.

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Why are you insulting players who choose to remain present, and possibly need to fight against attackers who were previously cloaked?
Are you trying to justify actions by yourself, or others, who chose avoidance rather than confrontation?
You keep pointing out how we cannot force cloaked players into action, when quite clearly the reverse is also true.

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Compromise is insulting?
Are we in the sandbox still, where all forms of play are accepted?
So, you are saying that PvE pilots should not need to "compromise" their fittings, in the supposedly most high risk area of space. No mention of getting friends together for mutual defense, or other cooperative tactics.
You are effectively asking for solo or small group play to be made safe against the threat of larger groups of players.

Now, you will tell me I am twisting your words, because I am not limiting myself to your perspective on this, I suppose.

I apologize if that seems to be the case, but perhaps you may wish to consider here your own views being too limited?

CCP could hold you to their naming standards... CCP Response... Nothing.

You must be new. Welcome to an afk cloaky thread.

Why not just create a deployable mobile structure that creates a 100km no-cloak radius effect, with some of the same restrictions as other deployable structures (easily destroyed, can't be deployed near 50km of stations and gates, etc.)? Then your only worry will be if the AFK cloaker is sitting in the site, but that's not really possible as some sites despawn if you cloak up for too long in them.

But can we please think of those WH dwellers and just how many have complained about AFK pilots in their WH systems, over the years. They may not like having a fiery bush.

How to solve AFK cloaking :

When you are cloak you don't appear in local chan anymore.

Problem solved.

What WH dwellers? Something like 4% of the entire player population and most of those are wrapped up in large alliance like No Holes Barred.

There is and never really was anyone to make the complaints. Most players look at it and think how there is no way they will try defend that.

I advocate the idea of a SOV structure that can online for a few hours but also takes a few hours to cool down after that, which wipes out cloaks.
Hit back at the AFK cloakers.

Force Recons can also be specific hunters, they can see through cloaks at a given range, can D-scan through cloaks but can't decloak unless they neut it off them or get close enough.

More details in CSM thread.

Dumb down play for any group, and you spoil that group for the normal game environment.
You have a group of miners and ratters, who are grown used to seeing only friendly names in local.

With only friendly names in local, an awareness of safety exists. This awareness is most often possible in sov null, particularly where player combat is seen less often.
Miners and ratters get used to seeing this intel, which assures them of complete safety. They learn to use it's information to avoid danger when it advises them a bad guy comes into their system.

They forget how to operate without it's guidance. Or they refuse to consider not using it.
So the bad guy with the name in local, who they can't remove, turns them blue in the face. No matter how long they wait, he don't leave, and they refuse to blink first by undocking with this dude here.

Any other space, they would keep rolling.
Cyno worries? BS. In high sec, a bunch of neutrals can drop on you in greater numbers, so that falls flat.
No warning for the attack? Again I call BS. In high sec, you can be ganked just as quick.
These guys seem to want a place safer than high sec, with ratting and mining more profitable.
What they dont want, is needing to call in other players to help them.

I want to know how to warp, D-SCAN, cyno and choosing choice targets when afk ?