Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This assumes that the entity you're attempting to ambush has an intel network in the space they're in, which, if they're roaming outside of their own space, if it exists at all, is likely to be incomplete.



These points are predicated on the idea that all players act in an optimal fashion in response to these events- which they don't. Wormholes aren't always in an inhabited system and not everyone is going to recognize a scout, and if they occur off of pipes they're a strong tactic for moving in a direction a defender doesn't expect opposition in.



Use d-scan, probes, or shotgun with interceptors. Scout the location of their safe pos early and bubble that or their outpost. Interdictors and fast tackle exist for a reason. You don't want to kill careless ratters but you want to kill careless ratters? What is it that you want exactly? To penetrate the established defenses of a group that has taken time and effort to secure their space without having to do any work?



Logoffski traps are a viable tactic in all regions of space to gain the element of surprise over a defending force. I suggest it because it's another powerful tactic that is available right now to everyone irrespective of local.

Except that fights and kills continue to be generated daily despite you saying that people 'just dock up.' How can you spin away that successful roams still find fights and that ratters, miners, and industrial ships are still caught every single day in null and lowsec? You can't. The position is indefensable because the reality of what actually takes place in the game is contrary to your statements and the evidence that disproves what you say is available instantly for free on any of the killboards.

I think the impulse that drives you and the other members of the nerf local crowd is exactly the same of what you're accusing me of here; that there is a group which wants to roam and attack targets with impunity with no care whatsoever for the health of nullsec as a whole. Some degree of safety (not to be confused with total safety) for those that derive income from nullsec isn't unreasonable and as it currently stands local is only part of the system that entities use to secure themselves. Systems in W-space are significantly easier to secure even without the aid of local because the defensive focus centers on controllable points of entry, hence, again, the focus on cloaked alts.

In any event I this has moved far away from cloaking, which I've already addressed earlier, though, I think unintentionally you've summed it up pretty well:



Don't think you meant it that way, but still, its pretty funny.

The flip side is that in wormhole space you can stick scouts on wormholes to get advanced warning of a fleet, and there is a limit to how many guys the enemy fleet can bring in.

In null sec that 1 guy can cyno in a 50 man fleet, bypassing most intel tools. So you have to treat him the same way you would treat 50 people afk cloaking in the system.

Out of the head, maybe pilot with cyno should have some sort of icon on local. Powerfull tool with very strong disadvantage.

When i see someone complaing about afk cloakers in null i think they forget that null wasn't supose to be place for solo playing (not all of it).

Much of the isk generation in lowsec (read juicy targets) that isn't connected to FW is done inside of signature sites. Otherwise there's a little bit of of clone soldier and mordu's farming, but it isn't like there are many worthwhile rats or large scale home grown industry ops in lowsec. Lowsec income sources are diffuse, as opposed to null which concentrates industry around certain outposts and i-hub upgrades, and ratting with sec status, which naturally funnel people into a much more narrow spectrum of suitable system for income generation.

Players also have NPC stations, like in NPC null, to fall back on as an intel staging source. The quality of intel isn't as high, but its so easy to use that it helps offset the use of afk cloakers. It still happens though and not everyone who complains about it mentions they're mad because the can't rat in null in peace all day; the ones that usually say that are the defenders of the practice of cloaking.

Agree, covert cynos should be part of the rebalance.

But Reaver, how will you know if the person is really afk and not just faking?

I wanted to let you know that I fully support your idea and can express naught but appreciation for your idea.

disable local chat and local numbers to the person cloaked...

A ship that boosts stats that is 100% safe (links) is ok but someone sitting afk cloaked doing nothing is an issue?

Its a sad day in new Eden.

Why do I need to even try to get you to understand balance and argue points? It's quite clear you're unwilling to listen and have your mind fixed. Nothing you have posted is new, or has any merit. For all I know I've been involved with this topic and it's nuances, for longer than you've been playing.

I do like emptying my bladder. But doing so against the wind, isn't something I want or intend to try.