Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Some white knights you speak of, may take advantage of this. But many of those pilots I find talk the talk, but can't be arsed to walk the walk.

In other words, the only ones I see coming out well with this change would be gankers. We still enjoy the game, even with restrictions. In fact, they merely add to the game play for us. I do believe this is part of the reason why, we see so many whines about ganking and why it's seen as too easy. Your idea could act like a flood gate opening, so for that reason I say no thanks.

If you want to create more player on player content, then look at ways to get -10 players in space more in high sec. At the moment they sit in stations, due in most part to facpo.
But then removing that, also opens up a can of worms.

It's not an easy balancing act, that's for sure. Maybe remove facpo, but add another consequence to replace it? But I don't believe Concord needs a nerf.

So it's like activating a point on something while not firing on it. One is perfectly allowable, the other a GCC offense, hence the case for the imbalance. The act of ganking isn't part of the contention there, but that's off topic at this point and another conversation.

Well, again, much like with how killrights in their current incarnation mitigate the gains of anti-ganking, current mission reward structures seem to limit the PvE gains of grouping. They both further expand the scope of this before it becomes a workable solution. In itself i don't see it achieving the ends desired.

FacPo doesn't impact a criminal's ability to fly through HiSec. In fact, the primary concern when it comes to HiSec travel is indeed other players. FacPo's only implication for a ganker is that he cannot sit on grid, not in a typical gank ship, anyway. However, as I've said, this can be dealt with by raising your sec status to the relevant level, making FacPo, at worst, an occupational cost.


It's possible, after all I can't guarantee that players are going to behave in any particular fashion. That said, anti-ganking is in a sorry state precisely because they cannot inflct any kind of meaningful damage to a ganker. Current ganker ships are typically too cheap & too fast and their effective power, too great to meaningfully combat. With these changes, I'd say there's a pretty good chance I'd become an anti-ganker precisely because I have opportunities to engage in meaningful open world PvP in HiSec (my main motivation essentially to support whichever group I felt was under-represented).


But with such a change, what is a pirate's incentive to remain on grid?

Fighting, especially in wardecs, but also baiting. And therefore on occasion losing to competent players, giving the victims and anti-gankers a way to actually get back at the gankers.

Facpo really needs to go. It's made ganking all math, no fun.

I give up. You don't see it, that's fine.

Good luck.

I would suggest opening a whole new civilian side of EVE.

For missions, it would mean rooms without a single red cross in them. You go in, you ferry things around. You help the white cross npcs do this or that. Repair stuff. Break into npc corp computers and steal secret things to gain standing with one group and drop it with others. Maybe the archaeology skill tree could be used for actually finding stuff rather than hacking redux.

Gurista or Sansha battleships have no business being in Caldari Prime, unless their is an incursion. We have WHs all over empire to facilitate day tripping against heavy rats, so we don't need them in empire most of the time. 95% of the npcs in empire need to be empire faction npcs.

So long as you stay near stations and gates in controlled space as well as npc controlled sites, the new player should have extremely strong allies. However, there should be strong financial incentives to stray from these sites and wander into the deeper stretches of asteroid belts. Such turrets could always fire on those who have most any kind of dubious flags simply to protect the commercial interests of those npc operators.

Docking or using other services should be highly affordable with the few factions to which a player can maintain high standing. Those in npc corps should have extremely high fees at non-school stations, making npc corp freighters incredibly cost prohibitive. It should be much harder to gain positive standing with a wide range of npc corps, even within the same nation. This helps limit alt logistics when you get to the tipping point of the costs outweighing losses over time.

Make a vast asteroid field and put a little npc servicing asset in the middle of it with npc turrets. Put standard ore around it. Next, take the improved forms of ore and expand their benefits from 10% refine bonuses to 50% and 100% refine bonuses. Put those off grid from the npc controlled sector. Obfuscate all d-scan results into and out of these belt zones. Out there is no Concord and no NPC turrets. Perhaps friendly (or not friendly) npcs could wander around with the same mechanics as Circadian Seekers in areas of npc controlled space. They could help or hurt based on their standings and the pure chance of being around.

The only time Concord would show up in empire, is if a ship is destroyed on a controlled grid, and the attacker successfully warps away. The gates and stations are then locked to you, and Concord chases you till you are blown up, even through downtime or logging off. The bulk of the work previously done by Concord is now done by faction navies.

War dec mechanics could be more granular, either affecting only however many constellations in which rights are purchased, with an exponential scaling on cost. The smallest scale of war declaration could be really cheap, like 10k isk. NPC turrets would still fire, but no flagging would result in the outer belts and sites, and no concord mechanic would be in effect.

How would lowsec look? Much the same, only with no concord pursuit mechanic, and much more combat npcs, better pve content and rewards, and with more manufacturing options than are available in empire, and cheaper fees on every possible service. NPC factions to which you have low standings will shoot on sight, and aggressing players in their sites will lower your standing with that faction. This makes roaming viable, but camping stations harder than roaming invisibly in belts.

NPC null looks like an inversion of empire/low, only with no flagging of any sort, except that which affects logoff timers. Sov null is basically what it is now, where players are totally dependent upon social player organization.

No you ridea does not assist white knights.....gankers will still use things like the catalyst (t1 destroyer), brutix (t1 BC) and so forth.....being in the class of protected ships you cant shoot them before they start shooting you.

As to mission runners and so forth....especially incursion runners you just open up hell on them all....no more tengus and stuff like that being used.....not to mention t2 ships used in wardecs are opened up for unmitagated ganking as they travel by who ever.

-10 to this go back to nullsec