Crime & Punishment

Indefinite lifetime of a kill right until certain conditions are met to negate it would make no difference at all if people aren't willing to act upon it. The problem isn't with the mechanics or the tools provided by CCP, it's with the people who don't know how to use them and those who do know how, but refuse to use them.

I'm all for promoting conflict, if people had tried to engage me when I was managing my sec status they would have met with a good fight and some friendly banter in local. I was aware that I had kill rights available on me and fitted my ships appropriately with buffer and tackle.

Removed a personal attack post and those quoting it.

You have valued points and o7 to you maam

As the Projects Founder I seek to bring neutrality to this glorious chunk of Highsec

The Code. are victims of their own success unfortunately and have lost their way, so please seek to educate them before you move to eradicate them

I think you may need to 'literally' follow this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc

Your view, that CCP will review ganking mechanics and make changes that are "over the top" is disingenuous and frankly just wishful thinking on your part. CCP Falcon, the lead community manager who is the man responsible for communicating with the playerbase, recently made it clear that freighter ganking is suppose to be in the game. The simple act of blowing up a freighter in highsec is not "griefing", it is ganking and has been an integral part of the game from the beginning. This will never be removed from the game unless CCP does a dramatic about-face about the structure of the game, and if this happens freighter ganking will be the least of our problems.

If in the future freighters are exploding too much, they will be re-balanced just like every ship as been done countless times before. Perhaps new modules will be added to make them safer, or base stats changed to improve their ability to tank or escape, but they will be not given a special pass from PvP or otherwise made invulnerable. Ships need to be at risk in the sandbox. Only CCP has the all data, but freighter ganking is incredibly rare - from the killboard and the number of freighters in space there must be a less than 1 in 5000 chance of a freighter dying per trip in highsec (granted this chance can vary greatly on where and what you carry). If CCP thinks that number is getting too high they will buff them - there is no need for scaremongering about the very future of ganking which you seem so concerned for.

Now, you also seem to be conflating "griefing" and ganking by raising Erotica 1 for some reason. Erotica 1 was a famous ISK doubler who ran a scam which turned into a controversy over "real-life harassment" for reasons that have been well discussed. This whole affair was unreleated to ganking in any way, except for the tangential connection that Erotica 1 was a supporter of the New Order of Highsec. Now regardless if you think Erotica 1's behaviour constitutes "real-life harrassment" or "griefing" it certainly shows that CCP is willing to act if they feel that something has crossed the line.

Now, the ganking and bumping activities of the New Order have been displayed for the world to see for well over two years now on minerbumping.com, one of the top Eve blogs by readership. Further, there have been no reports of gankers, New Order or otherwise, being banned for these ganking and bumping activities that I know of. CCP is well aware of the activities of the New Order both through these forums and minerbumping, as well as the countless petitions they must get from miners and haulers upset over their losses. Therefore, we can only conclude that the ganking activities of the New Order, including the ganking of freighters, are completely within the rules of the game.

But you want to have a conversation. Ok, let's first see if we can separate ganking from "griefing" in your mind. Is a freighter gank ever not "griefing"? If so, what are the conditions in which you think ganking a freighter is ok?

I love how you guys always link back to Falcon, and generally the same thread, as if we're supposed to read that and assume his word is gospel. He's also supported awoxing in the past, and yet that's on it's way out. At the end of the day he will say whatever is current. If the rules change, so will what he says. CCP will eventually look at everything, and if they decide that code trolling and griefing people while they gank, then publicly humiliating them isn't what they want, then the rules will change, and so will Falcon's statments.

No it's not, but the way code generally gank isn't restricted to just blowing up a ship. They insult and troll and provoke the gankee into a response so they can "harvest tears" for you guys to laugh about. That's really not good publicity for the game when people see that kind of behaviour. Eventually CCP will be looking to pull in more players because attrition is fast becoming a problem, and antisocial (not asocial like a miner who plays alone) behaviour will need to be looked at.

Many of the other people involved in that also had involvement in code. It's not difficult to draw parallel between that and code. The basic principal is the same. Find a target, use a combination of in-game mechanics and well placed trolling and insults to drive the target to rage/tears, then record that to laugh about and share with your friends.

For some reason I keep reading "The war on Wankers" here...... no joke

is it the one more nerf list, or the "bring one more friend" list?

I can never keep them straight...

Although, TBH, with a max locked targets of '0' ... drones aren't gonna help much.

I've actually been accused of being you before.

Or is that a job offer?

This. CCP Falcon's primary job is to communicate CCP's view to the playerbase. His words are implicitly that of the company as community manager, and should be taken as gospel unless he says otherwise, or is contradicted by the few higher-ups like CCP Seagull.

Sure, things can change in the future, and you can hold out hope that CCP will move the game in the direction you prefer Lucas, but you have to play the game according the actual, current rules, not how you think they might be in the future. All present statements, rulings from CCP indicate that ganking, even the New Order "we own highsec" variety, is perfectly acceptable, as is posting the bad behaviour of the victims on a website. All evidence points to CCP being fully aware of the situation and willing to act if a player crosses a line (see: Erotica 1) so therefore we have to believe that how the New Order plays the game is within CCP's rules. Not accepting that reality and using the "but it will eventually change because it must, right?" argument makes your position look quite weak.

And to be clear I might not see any reply to this from you Lucas as I have chosen to hide your posts on the forum for a while now. I find that my forum experience is far more worthwhile without being exposed to your continual rebuttals to minutia that stems either from an inability to accept that your position may not be entirely correct or perhaps just an unhealthy need to always reply to everything in contrary fashion. It is ok to let an issue drop once in a while even if you still think the other person is wrong.