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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#41 - 2015-01-05 08:29:35 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Please explain how the warp computer works?
To use an analogy, the warp computer peers into the distance to estimate the number of steps between here and where it is going. It then closes its eyes, stretches its arms out behind it, and does the naruto run blind for that number of steps.

In the meantime, placing a drag bubble works something like this (assuming the wall is the destination).

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-01-05 13:04:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
My guess it's because easier programming (check if bubble on grid, then check warp vector, but ignore bubble position relative to the desired warp-in point).


But it works perfectly gameplay-wise:

1. The fly gets caught if - and only if - he warps to someplace obvious coming from an obvious direction. This is exactly the same for both catch and drag bubbles

2. The spider can be more creative about where to try to snare the fly


So it's all good, carry on.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#43 - 2015-01-05 18:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
There are all kinds of amusing things you can do with bubbles.

Drag people into the inside of a bubble? Sure!

Drag people into a bubble in another grid? Sure!

Stop bubbles.

Bubbles to drag people right into a pipebomb.

A bubbled titan.

Bubbles on a kickout station


And the best, bubbles on the ingate into lowsec, just to mess with anyone poking their head in. And of course your solo pvp alt, with a falcon alt and a link alt or two...

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#44 - 2015-01-06 02:44:05 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Please explain how the warp computer works?
To use an analogy, the warp computer peers into the distance to estimate the number of steps between here and where it is going. It then closes its eyes, stretches its arms out behind it, and does the naruto run blind for that number of steps.

In the meantime, placing a drag bubble works something like this (assuming the wall is the destination).

I see that the roadrunner is interdiction nullified

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Memphis Baas
#45 - 2015-01-06 05:10:05 UTC
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
The fact that people think asymmetrical ships would be a problem in a vacuum has always baffled me. As long as the total thrust is balanced symmetrically, you could fly a ship shaped like a crazy straw and it wouldn't matter one bit.


When people say "asymmetrical" in this context they don't mean the shape of the ship, but rather the fact that the thrust is NOT balanced symmetrically. Your crazy straw with 1 thruster perpendicularly attached at one end, in this game it would result in no rotation and full translation.

Tormentor frigate, for example.
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#46 - 2015-01-06 06:53:05 UTC
WTB sucker bubble, sounds neat - do I get that from the Blood Raiders LP Store? Or must I visit an e-brothel, in which case, don't want.
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#47 - 2015-01-06 11:06:00 UTC
Not sure how up to date this is but its well worth the read

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0905/gridfumanual2%5B2%5D.pdf
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#48 - 2015-01-06 17:10:08 UTC
It makes the water less dense, so your submarine spaceship takes longer stop... wait.
Or does it make it more dense... or more salinated. I forget.

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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#49 - 2015-01-06 18:42:17 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Tormentor frigate, for example.


Don't be silly, a single high-angular-momentum gyroscope tucked away near the center of mass cancels out the torque, no problem!

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#50 - 2015-01-06 18:44:10 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
Tormentor frigate, for example.


Don't be silly, a single high-angular-momentum gyroscope tucked away near the center of mass cancels out the torque, no problem!

Until the gyro hits its maximum RPM and explodes.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2015-01-06 18:59:29 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Darwin wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
Tormentor frigate, for example.


Don't be silly, a single high-angular-momentum gyroscope tucked away near the center of mass cancels out the torque, no problem!

Until the gyro hits its maximum RPM and explodes.


Gyro's made from diamonds. Problem solved.
Jon Dekker
Dekker Corporation
#52 - 2015-01-06 19:40:30 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Memphis Baas wrote:
Tormentor frigate, for example.


Don't be silly, a single high-angular-momentum gyroscope tucked away near the center of mass cancels out the torque, no problem!


I'll take two gyros please, with extra tzatziki on the side! OM NOM NOM!
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#53 - 2015-01-06 20:21:51 UTC
Jon Dekker wrote:
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I'll take two gyros please, with extra tzatziki on the side! OM NOM NOM!


Tzatziki should be a PI good.

You should be able to combine it with genetically modified livestock to make Gyros.


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TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#54 - 2015-01-06 20:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: TheMercenaryKing
The best guess i can come up with is this:

a warp conduitis generated in space. The destination receives interference from the bubble and even though the warp computer has an expected destination, it is not compensating for the bubble interference - unless it is interdiction nullified. The result is the warp computer going "oh ****" as well as the pilot.

Likely the interference and drag are 2 effects working together to make a result. interference screws with the warp field resulting in a possible destination change and preventing warping while the drag is cause by the warp conduit itself and the warp disruption field overlapping, hence why it works only while intersecting the warp conduit. Think of it like Lagrange points and gravity, while two object have different gravitational fields, there will be small zones where the waves will cancel out and create a stable zone (not the right terminology but the same idea).
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#55 - 2015-01-06 23:12:06 UTC
Tiia Doshu wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
It shouldn't really matter how the mechanics work.

Don't warp gate-gate in nullsec, especially when not alone in system.

Drag bubble mechanics are much less likely to affect you then.



Yeah yeah .. I know.

But knowing how to avoid most of them is not the same as understanding how the effect is allowed for in the game mechanics, how it's explained by those who created the game and are supposed to KNOW and explain how a thing works, or FIX it and stop it from working that way.



CCP will not fix the drag bubble mechanics.

Or will they fix it one day maybe lol

The only way to fly straight through a bubble is in a interceptor or in a Tech 3 ship.

You should try it its fun not to get caught out in those terrible bubbles P

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#56 - 2015-01-06 23:44:26 UTC
I call them sucker bubbles because in order to end up in them, you have to be a sucker (merely for going to nullsec but that's another matter) .

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#57 - 2015-01-07 14:59:23 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Magnets.


Occam's razor applies here... magnets is the simplest answer, although road-runner perspective physics is a close 2nd place.

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#58 - 2015-01-07 15:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Ha. You should see some of the semi-illegal grid-fu manipulated bubble traps that pull you mid-system dozens of AUs from your destination direct to zero on a predeterminedspot fully within a large bubble with no chance to cloak or warp or do anything.

Edit - only a few people know the full scope of bubble mechanics and how to create very interesting effects like what I described. I only know about half the tricks, its a closely guarded secret I guess. There is a video fro. About two years back that captures the mid-spCe bubb!e trap, and there is a forum post about it, search if interested.

But yeah bubble!he's can do a lot more then just pull you a few km away fro. Gate
There was a whole... what's the word... it was like a dissertation on grid fu, just nobody got a universiy degree for that. Shocked

EDIT: Think I found it. Grid-Fu by courtesy of Gewnswarm

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#59 - 2015-01-07 16:35:01 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.

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Also: WARP DISRUPTION FIELDS
To quote: 'Warp Disruption Fields also draw ships towards them when they are placed directly in line with a point A and point B. Crafty players will often place a mobile warp disruptor directly in line from one stargate to another, several kilometers further than the intended destination.'
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#60 - 2015-01-07 17:53:18 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
There was a whole... what's the word... it was like a dissertation on grid fu, just nobody got a universiy degree for that. Shocked

EDIT: Think I found it. Grid-Fu by courtesy of Gewnswarm


Well done, you found another location for the same manual that was posted already in this very thread :)

Tyrton wrote:
Not sure how up to date this is but its well worth the read

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0905/gridfumanual2%5B2%5D.pdf

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