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[Proteus] Reduction in Fighter and Fighter Bomber scan resolution

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Hicksimus
Torgue
#101 - 2015-01-06 01:02:50 UTC
I'm pretty well the only person I see using a carrier to launch fighters and they get nerfed while everybody with a brain is kiting in ishtars for instant win? Cool CCP, good job!

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d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#102 - 2015-01-06 01:09:02 UTC  |  Edited by: d0cTeR9
Dar Saleem wrote:
Haidere wrote:
Ladies, you're both pretty. Now let's try and help CCP find a logical, effective fix for this problem instead of flailing away at each other.


You make the assumption CCP actually listen to us.

They don't. Their pathetic response to any difficult problem is just to go and nerf it. I used to think fozzie was different, but in the end hes fallen into the CCP mindtrap of nerf everything


True. Been around since 2003/2004 something like that, on and off. CCP prefers to nerf than fix.

Too bad supercaps are yet again getting hit... for no valid reasons.

Yet it's fine to have AFK cloakers in system, it's fine to have uber ishtars and its completely fine to give interceptors anti-bubble technology but not supercaps like they use to have... (Yeah CCP i owned a supercap during the good times). Now it's a joke... yet you still pay 25 billion isk for a supercarrier and 100 billion isk for a Titan...


"Sir i'll take that Ferrari, just keep the wheels. I'll mount it on bricks and leave it there".

Hicksimus wrote:
I'm pretty well the only person I see using a carrier to launch fighters and they get nerfed while everybody with a brain is kiting in ishtars for instant win? Cool CCP, good job!


CCP isn't happy we are assigning fighters to people while sticking near a POS bubble. They haven't realized yet, we do that because as soon a carrier or supercarrier enters a fight, it's doomed. Unless you uber blob... but pretty much any uber blob will win unless it meets a bigger uber blob so heh... Watch them stop carriers/supercarriers being able to assign fighters... It's pretty much hinted in bold letters in the OP.

But hey, off-grid booster is A-OK!!!

Been around since the beginning.
Panther X
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#103 - 2015-01-06 01:18:30 UTC
Dar Saleem wrote:
Haidere wrote:
Ladies, you're both pretty. Now let's try and help CCP find a logical, effective fix for this problem instead of flailing away at each other.


You make the assumption CCP actually listen to us.

They don't. Their pathetic response to any difficult problem is just to go and nerf it. I used to think fozzie was different, but in the end hes fallen into the CCP mindtrap of nerf everything


Well you're somewhat right. They don't listen to anyone but Grr Gewns and their Socialist Lackey Dogs.

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Tieberius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2015-01-06 01:18:58 UTC
I'm sorry but this is a pisstake. Some half arsed reasoning to hide the ulterior motive. Just remove the damned things already and reimburse people.
El Huapo
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2015-01-06 01:19:07 UTC
Maybe they want bombs to be able to wipe out Fighters / FB's again? The counter to bombers was hugging the target to recall drones, then once the bomb wave passes re-launch. Forcing FIghters and FB's to stay on field or face dps nerf. Question
Panther X
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#106 - 2015-01-06 01:22:26 UTC
Tieberius wrote:
I'm sorry but this is a pisstake. Some half arsed reasoning to hide the ulterior motive. Just remove the damned things already and reimburse people.



Yessir, I'll take that 25ish plus hull price isk back TYVM, and I'll buy a couple hundred thousand rifters.

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Firefox4312 Yatolila
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#107 - 2015-01-06 01:41:49 UTC
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
It seems this change is primarily just to eliminate an exploit. It doesn't look to me like fighters or fighter bombers will be significantly negatively impacted. I think this change is alright although I would want to say that I am definitely not in the camp that thinks fighters and fighter bombers need a significant nerf. This nerf to reduce an exploit is fine, but anything further I would not support. Fighters and fighter bombers lack the utility of sentries and as pretty much everyone is saying here, sentries are really the only drone problem.

Carriers could use a rebalance so that a triage fit can consist of more than a billion capacitor modules. Sentries could use a rebalance, possibly by limiting their use on carriers and Ishtars and make them the battleship weapon they were intended to be. Given the problems with battleship fighting these days they'd go back to making drone boats viable for PvE and have limited PvP use.

But fighters and FBs are not in need of a nerf, other than to perhaps reduce this exploit, which I never considered using until I read this thread.

And Fozzie, I hope you guys all had a merry Christmas and new years and are all rested and ready to get back to the breakneck release pace. Wonderful work CCP has been doing. Looking forward to more and more module rebalances with the coming releases and please don't forget to add the new rendering to the T3s, stations, and POS structures. This game is getting out of control gorgeous. Frankly, once the new sov package comes in, if it works as intended, I would be content with just adding the physical rendering to everything in the game and rebalancing all the modules until it's time for the star gates. This game is really getting to where I want it to be.


There's no reason to support the nerf to fix an exploit to begin with. If ccp wanted to fix an exploit they caused because of their own game mechanics being badly coded. They should recode and actually fix the problem, not just throw a bandaid on 2 types of drones. As it stands, after this. Every other drone (lights -> sentries) will still be able to have their dps increased by this exploit. So, the fact they're only fixing capital sized drones, and not an over all issue is pointless.
Sootsia
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#108 - 2015-01-06 01:43:24 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone. Hope you've all had a great holiday season. Most of us are back at the office now, and we're putting the final preparations in place for the Proteus release next week.

One of the tweaks we are making in Proteus is to the scan resolution of Fighters and Fighter Bombers, both of which are being reduced quite significantly.

The primary goal of this change is to ensure that rapidly scooping and relaunching fighters and fighter bombers never gives a dps advantage. This practice has not been widespread thus far, but any possible advantage gained this way would both provide imbalanced DPS and cause significant server load so we want to nip it in the bud.

The changes will also have the effect of delaying the initial alpha strike of fighters and fighter bombers, especially against subcaps. Although it is not the primary purpose of the change we are not displeased by this effect, and we do not believe that it will make fighters or fighter bombers underpowered.

.........
Thanks everyone, and happy New Year!


Not sure who is smoking WHAT, but the time differential of launching drones, , them moving to target, hitting once, recalling drones, rinsing and repeating is plain STUPID, and a serious waste of time and applied dps . ESPECIALLY in TIDI. It never is better than launching the drones and letting them repeatedly attempt to hit the target. If one is concerned about a better CHANCE of hitting the target , utilizing the proper drone mods, webbing mods, Target painting mods is the proper way to go. Nerfing the Supers YET AGAIN is just another kick in the nuts for those training a high skilled toon that is involved in Capital Class Warfare. If you really want to tweak something, give Supers back their Sentries.
Panther X
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#109 - 2015-01-06 01:54:48 UTC
Sootsia wrote:
If you really want to tweak something, give Supers back their Sentries.


Wait a second...
Did Soots fix ishtars?

Give supers and supers ONLY sentries.

Ishtars fixed. Domi herds fixed. Thank you, Elvis has left the building.

Sentries cannot be assigned off grid.

There's our fix Ladies and Germs.

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Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#110 - 2015-01-06 01:56:13 UTC
Good job CCP keep up the good work. Perhaps another stab at ishtars/sen tries and bombers?

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Tykonderoga
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2015-01-06 01:59:52 UTC
There is no exploit. This was never a problem in any sense of the word, problem. Fighters get murdered by subcaps all the time and you can only carry a limited flight of either kind depending on the carrier/super carrier.


The real reason behind this utterly stupid "fix" is people like Fuzzie hate supers and titans and think they were a mistake in the first place. People like Fuzzie hope to make them so lame and weak that we just stop using them in this supposed sandbox. Thus, all there will be left to do for smaller entities who hope to hold back the tide of mouth breathers will be to form their own 10k plus mob of mouth breathers and we can all sit together in ten percent tidi waiting for our ship to lock and then our drones to lock 30 minutes later before they are bombed off the field.


Thanks CCP Fuzzie for making a 30bil useless ship. You rock. Now can you please follow Greyscale out the door to oblivion.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#112 - 2015-01-06 02:06:44 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I don't get the significance of this change. Fighters and Fighter Bombers aren't really an issue in Cap v Subcap fights.

"These aren't the drones you are looking for"...somebody, probably.

Nerf sentries my good man, we all know they are out of balance, and we all know why there has been mostly drone boat meta since you tweaked Drones as a dedicated weapons platform over a year ago.

Its not bombers, its not fighter bombers, its not the Domi, it wasn't the Gila, it isn't the Prophecy, its not the Ishtar...

Its Sentry Drones. Quit kicking the can when anyone with a set of functioning eyeballs can see that Sentry Drones are not in line with other weapons, or other drones....god damn.


I'm not sure the problem really is sentries so much as how many ships are able to use them. They should be considered battleship-sized weapons for all intents and purposes and the ships that use them should absolutely be balanced with that in mind - mostly by having access to them removed or neutered. The Ishtar shouldn't be launching five sentries - no sub-battleship hull should be, especially not something cruiser-sized - and a capital ship shouldn't have subcapital-class tracking in the form of sentry and heavy drones. I'm sure someone will complain "but what if my carrier gets tackled and my fighters can't hit the ship?" and to that person I say "then you obviously shouldn't be operating a capital ship without subcap support".
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#113 - 2015-01-06 02:08:34 UTC
lmao @ the consistency of the alliance of posters in this thread

you can really tell who was using this "exploit" and who wasn't

Goonswarm Federation response: :geno:
Northern Coalition. response: :supaburn:
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#114 - 2015-01-06 02:09:24 UTC
Tykonderoga wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Brace yourselves, NC DOT superwaggon arriving.



Brace yourself, you use drones too, friend. And your bears do too.

lmao nobody in GSF who has any brains uses fighters for ratting
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#115 - 2015-01-06 02:10:17 UTC
killerkeano wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Tykonderoga wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Brace yourselves, NC DOT superwaggon arriving.



Brace yourself, you use drones too, friend. And your bears do too.


We dont care. Death to all supers.



you get boring really quickly. Its not even witty, accurate or constructive. Go spam troll EVEnews24 or that other one, or even better, go talk to a RL human

No wonder even your corp mates don't like you

this is not true

i like baltec1 he is a p cool guy :unsmith:
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#116 - 2015-01-06 02:11:04 UTC
Tykonderoga wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Tykonderoga wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Brace yourselves, NC DOT superwaggon arriving.



Brace yourself, you use drones too, friend. And your bears do too.


We dont care. Death to all supers.



Then self destruct all your supers and titans and prove to me you are not a hypocrite.

lmbo you first nerd
Panther X
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#117 - 2015-01-06 02:13:28 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:


for all intents and purposes


English Grammar Nazis ensue.

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Panther X
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#118 - 2015-01-06 02:14:43 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Tykonderoga wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Tykonderoga wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Brace yourselves, NC DOT superwaggon arriving.



Brace yourself, you use drones too, friend. And your bears do too.


We dont care. Death to all supers.



Then self destruct all your supers and titans and prove to me you are not a hypocrite.

lmbo you first nerd


You couldn't do all 3 or 4 flames in one post?

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Juneau Chokis
Heimatar Planetary Production Fund
#119 - 2015-01-06 02:15:35 UTC
Tykonderoga wrote:
Fighters get murdered by subcaps all the time.

Except when they have a few DDA/DNC/tracking links on them and trash literally any ship in the game without any sort of ewar required.

Not sure if the rest of your post is some high-level trolling, though. I'm laughing my ass off reading that, knowing that you're in the largest snoozefest blob alliance in the game since the death of the northern coalition. You perfectly described it with your post.
Panther X
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#120 - 2015-01-06 02:18:48 UTC
Juneau Chokis wrote:
Tykonderoga wrote:
Fighters get murdered by subcaps all the time.

Except when they have a few DDA/DNC/tracking links on them and trash literally any ship in the game without any sort of ewar required.

Not sure if the rest of your post is some high-level trolling, though. I'm laughing my ass off reading that, knowing that you're in the largest snoozefest blob alliance in the game since the death of the northern coalition. You perfectly described it with your post.



I thought that was Goons...huh. Well learn something new e'er day

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