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Don't nerf fighters/bombers

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osiris24
Romanian Assault Unit
Brave Collective
#1 - 2015-01-05 21:32:03 UTC
Dear CCP:

Do not go through with the proposed scan resolution changes for fighters and fighter bombers. This is a bad idea as supers are very vulnerable already, as are carriers. You are so off base with this.
Tykonderoga
Bikini Bottom Surfer
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2015-01-05 21:35:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tykonderoga
So this means in a 10 percent tidi fight your fighter or fighter bombers will apply their damage in a ridiculously long period of time, not to mention the initial time it takes for the ship to lock the target!


Oh, and this affects EVERYONE, not just large alliances.
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2015-01-05 21:36:04 UTC
Roll

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#4 - 2015-01-05 21:37:10 UTC
Its to fix something that can be seen as an exploit.

Next up are your sentries. Death to all supers.
Tykonderoga
Bikini Bottom Surfer
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2015-01-05 21:39:06 UTC
Your alliance uses fighters and carriers too. And I don't see an exploit anywhere.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#6 - 2015-01-05 21:41:33 UTC
Tykonderoga
Bikini Bottom Surfer
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2015-01-05 21:44:49 UTC
The point is that this is an absolutely ludicrous change. Supers and carriers die very easily now and at least with supers, are limited in the number of fighters they have. I have 10 fighters and 10 bombers on my aeon. Once they are dead, I am a floating coffin. They are fine as they are.

See the insanity in these changes.
Haidere
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#8 - 2015-01-05 21:45:51 UTC
There are several ways to prevent the exploit without reducing the scan res, the most logical solution would be to simply make it so that the cycle time does not reset when you recall drones/fighters to your bay.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#9 - 2015-01-05 21:46:46 UTC
Tykonderoga wrote:
Your alliance uses fighters and carriers too. And I don't see an exploit anywhere.


Best go read why they are doing this. Its to stop them from doing higher than intended damage.
Tykonderoga
Bikini Bottom Surfer
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2015-01-05 21:47:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tykonderoga
Or, get rid of the idea of assigning drones in the first place. This just seems like the laziest way to deal with something that isn't even a problem in the first place.


How is making something take forever to lock an exploit, Baltec? And why did they buff fighters before then?

And please tell me where in eve supers are wreaking entire fleets?
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#11 - 2015-01-05 21:50:38 UTC
Tykonderoga wrote:
Or, get rid of the idea of assigning drones in the first place. This just seems like the laziest way to deal with something that isn't even a problem in the first place.


How is making something take forever to lock an exploit, Baltec? And why did they buff fighters before then?


People were resetting the cycle time which made the refire rate much faster upping their DPS somewhat greatly.
bobo 1994
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-01-05 21:51:55 UTC
baltec u are so clueless its funny me and my 17 other corpmates are laughing at you on teamspeak
Tykonderoga
Bikini Bottom Surfer
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2015-01-05 21:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tykonderoga
baltec1 wrote:
Tykonderoga wrote:
Or, get rid of the idea of assigning drones in the first place. This just seems like the laziest way to deal with something that isn't even a problem in the first place.


How is making something take forever to lock an exploit, Baltec? And why did they buff fighters before then?


People were resetting the cycle time which made the refire rate much faster upping their DPS somewhat greatly.



That is completely incorrect and has not worked for quite some time with bombers and fighters. Moreover, Baltec, you allow your bias to cloud what is true and not true. Just say you hate the game and want to break it and allow for blob rule.
Lord Takani
Eve's Retirement Society
Casual Eve Enjoyers
#14 - 2015-01-05 21:53:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Takani
CCP if you regret introducing supercaps into this game, and fail to be creative in making them balanced etc then its time to hire some proper employees or dump the issue in the community.

State why you want to change certain things and to what extend, then let the community generate ideas which you can work further on. Just randomly changing and nerfing all the **** is gonna bite you in the ass when the older players have had enough. Then EVE will be like DUST and that other MMO thingy a failure.

The competition is coming, you have had a special place in this MMO genre, but that wont last any longer. Get your act together.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#15 - 2015-01-05 21:55:53 UTC
Why is it mostly NC whining about this?

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baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#16 - 2015-01-05 21:57:21 UTC
NC DOT doth protest too much.
Tykonderoga
Bikini Bottom Surfer
Pandemic Legion
#17 - 2015-01-05 21:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tykonderoga
Sol Project wrote:
Why is it mostly NC whining about this?



This affects not just NC but everyone. Even if you pve it affects you. And in tidi it will be horrendous. And GSF can never not be ideological about anything.
Anaka Totoch
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-01-05 22:01:56 UTC
congrats. Yep you see supers thrashing subcaps all the time!?!?! another random clueless patch from ccp fozzie, let me gues, another lick your finger and raise it in the air to test the wind direction was it?

You nerf remove all drones but fighters, reduce EHP of supers, most stupid of all reduce jump range AND fatigue AT THE SAME TIME, and now have 'Stalemate Online'

like people need any more of a reason NOT to use supers, if anything you should buff them and titans so they are fielded more!

This isnt about supers whelping subs, its about them being used as a viable method of pve / ratting.



if it is because of a exploit, just introduce a relaunch delay, EXPLOIT FIXED the only way supers hit subs anyway with fighters is with full drone mods, there-by reducing cap, and tank capability.

supers dont oftern launch and scoop and re launch as the bombers range, and the mwd leaving vunerable to bombers.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#19 - 2015-01-05 22:02:33 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
Why is it mostly NC whining about this?


Possibly because NC was the pioneer behind the maneuver that is the primary reason behind the nerf...

Quote:
The primary goal of this change is to ensure that rapidly scooping and relaunching fighters and fighter bombers never gives a dps advantage. This practice has not been widespread thus far, but any possible advantage gained this way would both provide imbalanced DPS and cause significant server load so we want to nip it in the bud.


And they don't want their new 'I win' butan removed...

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Tykonderoga
Bikini Bottom Surfer
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2015-01-05 22:04:09 UTC
Yes, can anyone name a fight post-Phoebe where supers have destroyed everything? Name it,
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