Market Discussions

You can make fun all you want to... but if you took 1 trillion isk and bought Plex one year ago today, and I bought 1 tril of Trit

You would have 1.25 trillion in isk if you sold your plex today (and dropping) and I would have 1.33 tril isk for selling my trit (and increasing)

Trit can't go anywhere without massive changes to the game, Plex is a relatively new market item, with a relatively experimental application for in game trading.

Right, just like if you bought 1 tril of plex a month or two ago and tried to sell it now you would have less than 900bil?

Got it, your examples only are relevant when they support your talking points.


Edit: http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=34#supply

Take it out to as far as you want, it is the only graph you need to see how silly it is to belittle the trit market.

http://www.eve-markets.net/detail?typeid=29668#supply Your precious plex... something is wrong with your site data, but you can see when it works what the difference is if you know how to read supply/demand charts.

Nobody belittles the trit market, it's just that trit has been much more volatile throughout EVE history. The recent spike is speculation/manipulation cuz of the ISBoxer nerf mostly I reckon. There have been many changes that affected supply and demand for trit throughout the years due to changing game mechanics, both adding negative pressure and positive pressure on the price. For PLEX, all changes made so far have added positive pressure on the price. I doubt CCP is going to remove uses for PLEX anytime soon.

Again, in a worst case scenario you end up with something that has turned out to be a very bad isk investment. That still leaves you with loads of game time (or fanfest tickets). I could live with that. Hell, in fact I'd love to see PLEX crash down to 200 million or lower


Edit: OT: trending downwards again, 800 million is starting to get closer. Should it drop below 800 things would be getting interesting as that means it will be entering the price range in which PLEX stabilized after the summer peak.

There are people putting up buy orders for hundreds of PLEX at 800m over the last few days, it only briefly drops below 800m as those get filled up. The fatcats seem to think this is a time to buy, and I wouldn't expect it to go lower than this either.

I would like for you to be correct Sir, but since you are clearly a grade A moron, I shan't be holding my breath.

Not sure what that was about.

But the bottom of the market cap just fell out. Warning to those who still have PLEX for short term gain, there is nothing substantial stopping a 750m price by the end of the day.

Also warning, hundreds of eve players just got amazon (plex sale) and paypal gift cards... expect a fresh batch of plex on the market to add to the 200 sell orders placed at 795 last night.

Plex @ 791

And I don't see the block trades anymore, seems they decided it wasn't a good idea to catch falling knives.

For now plex is back to being just a game time extension and not a investment or trade to speculate higher

I figure the best theory is that you would want to own an asset that took a fixed amount of player TIME to produce and of course had utility enough that players still would take the time to produce it.

ISK costs less and less to gather over time due to mud inflation... (and CCP does a good job at not letting it get out of hand)

The risk with Plex is that they may increasingly feel forced to make game time cheaper and cheaper in real $ ... and then hope to sell just as many plex for people to instead fund more accounts or spend the same $100 to buy a carrier (or whatever equates to $100 these days) buying 16 plex at 6$ a piece instead of 6 plex at $16$ a piece.

They may discover that the game time can be cheaper in real $ but make it up in volume ....

That might sound weird but plenty of FtP games really aren't free at all for most players and only a portion of what they pay per month is for their "premium" subscriptions

I know FtP ruins games..

...we're talking investment here though, not what we want.

If we want to play EVE markets in a way that will make our hordes as valuable as possible compared to the average ISK riches of other players.....get ahead in comparative ISK wealth... thinking of the META issues concerning financial motivations can effect the value

... time value .. 1 hour of a human players time..that's what I'd like to keep parity with....

..but I'll take the risk with Plex and characters even if I think they'll 1/2 life once....

Why ? The make things like Invention easier to do and suddenly my horde of expanded cargo bays falls in ISK and ISK doesn't buy the plex it used to.. AND Plex don't cost the Dollars they used to...
... that's a triple whammy loss

I'll never RMT my isk.. those are CCP assets...but I will score the value of my game holdings in dollar equivalent to gage whether I'm getting ahead or falling behind.

i really do think that toads avatar has ALOT to do with ppl instantly dis-agreeing with him.

if you want to stock plex (for some stupid reason), put up buy orders for 500m & wait.

Well sort of,

I think I'm saying what you are another way. Even if you don't agree with my thinking as I expressed it (in my wordy manner) I do agree with exactly what you are saying.

"we cannot control the supply or utility" Exactly (I explained why I thought supply would increase for Meta reasons and utility would become less scarce)

BUT

I wouldn't call it a "horrible investment" because it is as good or better as the next best ideas I have for PASSIVE (like unsubscibed holdings type of passive) parking of game assets. I anticipate game time coming down to maybe $10 a month

... so I know I'll lose half of the theoretical RMT value...but I don't see doing much better with other assets and at least I see a bottom.


Trit ? yes that does make a fair bit of sense to me. that might be a better bet than holding characters or game time tokens... maybe I will put 1/4 of my game assets there.

My main theory was that Player Time ingame.. not character time, is the greatest constant and so an asset that will take just as much time to collect in the future as the present would be the best investment. I'd need to trust that it doesn't become easier to mine Trit per player hour...or that the game requires less trit but some players continue to collect it as a by product of some other activity, and that is something I am wary about.