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Prospect Proposal

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Vitari Pentervol
Aperture Reach
Immediate Destruction
#1 - 2014-12-23 16:25:47 UTC
With the immunity for recon ships to D-scan to be implemented in the next expansion there is another type of ship that needs to be included to that, the Prospect Mining frigate. I I read in on a thread (can't find it currently) that suggestions were being taken for bringing high sec miners in to low and null. The environment of EVE makes that transition problematic with pilots hunting everything that flies everywhere that is not high sec. This is part of the game. But with Recon ships being removed from D-scans, this should be extended to include the Prospect, It is designed and allowed to equip the Covert Ops Cloaking Device II. It's meant to be hidey. This makes a great deal of sense. The hunters would have to do a little more work for their meals? Seems fair to me. As a high sec Miner I'd like to try my hand in some low sec forays but I'd rather not have to be as twitchy as a meth-head to do it and not get podded.
Zed Rachalon
The Icarus Factor
#2 - 2014-12-23 18:53:32 UTC
I don't understand what's wrong with the prospect as is. The venture has a +2 warp stability built in, so it's damn near impossible to pin as is. It's great for low sec. The only thing that stops it are bubbles. The prospect gets a covert ops cloak, and any halfway decent pilot can slip a null-sec bubble gate camp with a covops cloak. All the tools are there and they work great.

Then there's this quote:

Vitari Pentervol wrote:
I'd rather not have to be as twitchy as a meth-head to do it and not get podded.


That's the entire fun of Eve. It's supposed to be nerve wracking. It's supposed to be suspenseful. It's supposed to present a real risk that gives you an adrenaline rush when it's over.

Your problem isn't really a problem with any of the ships. It's a problem of too much risk aversion.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-12-23 18:57:37 UTC
Ships with covert ops cloaks are already immune to dscan while cloaked. No further changes are needed.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#4 - 2014-12-23 22:01:21 UTC
I'd like to point out the the cloakable recons will NOT be getting the d-scan immunity.

As such, neither should the prospect.

Neither should the venture, it's already amazing, and the ability for it to mine gas in WH's while immune to d-scan would be too much of a buff. Far too much.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2014-12-23 22:09:06 UTC
You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space.

The Venture and the Prospect are both good ships with no changes needed. Learn to use them appropriately.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2014-12-23 22:11:20 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space.
I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#7 - 2014-12-24 00:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space.
I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2014-12-24 01:05:22 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space.
I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!


My only regret in this world..is being able to like this only once.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Paranoid Loyd
#9 - 2014-12-24 01:12:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
ShahFluffers wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space.
I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!

I could not have asked for a better rendition. Absolutely perfect.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#10 - 2014-12-24 01:16:04 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space.
I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!


Freakin' brilliant! Well done, sir!

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-12-24 03:01:22 UTC
I don't think the Prospect needs the d-scan immunity. All it will do is bring less skilled pilots closer to the more skilled ones, without improving what the more skilled pilots can do with a Prospect.

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Ben Ishikela
#12 - 2014-12-24 04:40:25 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space.
I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!

saved!

Ideas are like Seeds. I'd chop fullgrown trees to start a fire.

Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#13 - 2014-12-24 05:40:13 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
I'd like to point out the the cloakable recons will NOT be getting the d-scan immunity.

As such, neither should the prospect.

Neither should the venture, it's already amazing, and the ability for it to mine gas in WH's while immune to d-scan would be too much of a buff. Far too much.


I see this a lot but noone yet questions if it is a move to make "hunting" move towards combat probes.

As for why combat recons got it I think that will be a complete mystery for everyone for a long time.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#14 - 2014-12-24 05:41:42 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I don't think the Prospect needs the d-scan immunity. All it will do is bring less skilled pilots closer to the more skilled ones, without improving what the more skilled pilots can do with a Prospect.


Take an hour to fill their cargo bay?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#15 - 2014-12-24 06:03:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I don't think the Prospect needs the d-scan immunity. All it will do is bring less skilled pilots closer to the more skilled ones, without improving what the more skilled pilots can do with a Prospect.


Take an hour to fill their cargo bay?

With max skills and two Mining Laser Upgrades... it takes a little over 14 minutes for a Prospect to be completely full.

And with a range of 12km on your lasers, you can easily cloak up if you detect anyone on D-scan... or if someone has just landed on grid (your cloak will work as long as you are more than 2km from an object and have not been target locked).

Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Anhenka wrote:
I'd like to point out the the cloakable recons will NOT be getting the d-scan immunity.

As such, neither should the prospect.

Neither should the venture, it's already amazing, and the ability for it to mine gas in WH's while immune to d-scan would be too much of a buff. Far too much.



I see this a lot but noone yet questions if it is a move to make "hunting" move towards combat probes.

As for why combat recons got it I think that will be a complete mystery for everyone for a long time.

The D-Scan immunity for Combat Recons is supposed to add more "uncertainty" to hunting and choosing engagements... to make things more "unpredictable."
Aran Hotchkiss
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-12-24 06:13:35 UTC
I believe the hour to fill cargo bay was referring to gas mining. I'd elaborate but typing on a phone so you'll have to look up the numbers yourself.

You should have enough control over your herd of cats to make them understand. If they constantly make misstakes, get better cats.

Vitari Pentervol
Aperture Reach
Immediate Destruction
#17 - 2014-12-24 07:53:03 UTC
Well I have to say that I'm surprised anyone actually read my post. Thank you. Big smile I just wanted to put my two cents in. I am no expert on high risk mining, far from it, but I'd like to try. There's no point hording isk without doing something with it. Fly safe gents.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#18 - 2014-12-24 08:57:44 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
You are not getting a damn covert cloaking, nullified, invisible to d-scan, 80AU/sec instawarping, uber-bonused to all things mining ship with bomb bays and siege mods and 1400mm arties with 400% drone damage to fighter bombers and 2000% resists with cynoless jumpdrives and local invisibility and pet CONCORD with deployable structures that fit in the cargo bay that deploy into 1.0 highsec space.
I would pay good isk for a MS Paint rendition of this.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!


That reminds me somehow of the tech3 Amarr shuttle

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