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♥ Manfred Sideous ♥ for ♥[CSM 10]♥

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Dirk Action
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-12-08 21:45:16 UTC
Roll
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-12-08 21:54:29 UTC
Dirk Action wrote:


u truly are a metagame master

u have singlehandedly ruined manfred "manny ♥" sideous' career of fake videogame politics

the world shall fear u 5evrmore


Oh that would be too pretentious of me. No, I aspire to nothing of the sort really.

Im just a simple (bored) EVE bystander that sees a legitimate issue worth discussing.

But dont let me stop you from trying to make me sound grand, I might grow to like it!
Dirk Action
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2014-12-08 21:55:21 UTC
well you certainly got the fact that you're simple right, at least
Manfred Sideous
H A V O C
Fraternity.
#64 - 2014-12-08 21:57:17 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
BadAssMcKill wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
No. your legion harbors members that scam newbros in recruitment channels. Not cool Manny, not cool.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2onm30/new_player_scammed_in_corp_recruitment_channel/

you are not fit to be on CSM until you clean up PL.


>newbro >12m sp


Lol, you think its about you or your recruitment scams, or particular details of this scam? No my friend, its not. its about something bigger.

Its about creating and exploiting wedges in the community. Right now I opened up a wedge - Manfred's tolerance of scamming. Now, if someone on say evenews24.com or tmc picks this up, they are going to ask him a question - whats his stance on recruitment scams in his organization?

He has three answers.

1) He supports it. result - alienates half the normal people who will consider him nothing better then a CODE scumbag or a Goon scammer. Lost votes, others will spin this against him. He loses the election, again. Frankly, if he does support it, then he is no different from CODE. Scammers are scammers, all the same.

2) He fluffs the answer and appears weak and indecisive. Other candidates will exploit this at a minimum. Noone likes evasive politicians.

3) He says he is against. He will have to throw you under the bus of course, or at least that dude of yours, to make a show of commitment. This will have a positive effect on his image and differentiate him from Goon and other scamming candidates. Lots of potential for good spin here.

Take it from me, I was senior campaign manager for several Ontario provincial elections. I know how this **** works.

EDIT - oh lol look at this, in time it took me to type this, already 3! posts defending recruitment scams, one questioning Manfred's ability to enforce rules across his! organization, and one post got edited. Definitely a wedge, and definitely worthy of further note by journalists.


First - I am not the leader of Pandemic Legion.

Secondly - Pandemic Legion has all kinds of players engaging in all kinds of gameplay. Just because a guy solo's in lowsec and is really good doesn't automatically mean the rest of us are as well.

Third - I personally don't engage in scamming I would have to much guilt for it personally.

Fourth - Scamming is legal in Eve as well as stealing despite how distasteful some people find it. I am of the opinion that I like the diversity of gameplay in Eve. Eve is a terrible cold and evil place and that makes it feel so much more exciting.

So I am sure this isn't going to satisfy you. I am not a politician , I am just a guy that sincerely loves the game and the community and has alot of passion about it. If I don't get your vote then welp sorry.

@EveManny

https://twitter.com/EveManny
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#65 - 2014-12-08 22:07:15 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

Lol. Please point where I said Manfred was involved with any of the above. Learn to read replies.

The question was 'what is normal people in EVE - those who scam, or those who do not'? Erotica 1 episode demonstrated that majority of people are against scamming, ergo that is the normal behavior. And in any situation where there is a popularity contest between a normal and a scammer - normal wins.


That's a beautiful slippery slope. The incident of Erotica 1 revolved less around in-game scamming and more towards out of game harassment. CCP Falcon even said so in his posts admonishing that incident.

So again, please explain why you believe Manfred Sideous, CSM 10 Candidate, should have his candidacy revoked due to one of his co-members in Pandemic Legion partaking in an act of gameplay CCP endorse.

Until such time, this is a moot point and you're just flailing your arms while failing to understand what you're talking about.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#66 - 2014-12-08 22:09:15 UTC
+1. I was interested in your candidacy the first time, and I'm happy to see you throwing your hat back in the ring.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-12-08 22:13:29 UTC
Manfred Sideous wrote:


First - I am not the leader of Pandemic Legion.

Secondly - Pandemic Legion has all kinds of players engaging in all kinds of gameplay. Just because a guy solo's in lowsec and is really good doesn't automatically mean the rest of us are as well.

Third - I personally don't engage in scamming I would have to much guilt for it personally.

Fourth - Scamming is legal in Eve as well as stealing despite how distasteful some people find it. I am of the opinion that I like the diversity of gameplay in Eve. Eve is a terrible cold and evil place and that makes it feel so much more exciting.

So I am sure this isn't going to satisfy you. I am not a politician , I am just a guy that sincerely loves the game and the community and has alot of passion about it. If I don't get your vote then welp sorry.


I respect a man that gets ahead of the issue and makes his stance known. Thank you for taking the time to answer it quickly.

I have more then one vote and I will keep your candidacy in mind. Scamming is distasteful for me, but not the only factor at the end of the day.
Kah'Roor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2014-12-08 22:25:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Kah'Roor
+3 votes from one of the Curse friends.

http://fukung.net/v/36323/0c413ceb60819f99dcc046b02c85b30e.jpg - new bros welcomed to Curse
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-12-08 22:27:19 UTC
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:


So again, please explain why you believe Manfred Sideous, CSM 10 Candidate, should have his candidacy revoked due to one of his co-members in Pandemic Legion partaking in an act of gameplay CCP endorse.



I never said manfred should have his candidacy revoked; I said, he is not fit. There is a difference, and dont put words in my mouth.

But i will humour you, as I understand what you are trying to say.

In my opinion, CSM representative should stand for 'good' things in EVE. Improving gameplay, reducing scamming, ganking, harassment, etc. Those that do not, by omission of leadership included, in my opinion, are not fit for CSM duty.

Simple explanation really. You may disagree of course, but it is your opinion against mine. We shall see how the votes pan out.
Ron Mexxico
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#70 - 2014-12-08 22:57:13 UTC
JEFFRAIDER wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
No. your legion harbors members that scam newbros in recruitment channels. Not cool Manny, not cool.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2onm30/new_player_scammed_in_corp_recruitment_channel/

you are not fit to be on CSM until you clean up PL.


**** THE NEWBROS

NOT EMPTY QUOTING
ian papabear
No Regard.
#71 - 2014-12-08 23:37:10 UTC
you have my vote

.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#72 - 2014-12-09 01:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
No. your legion harbors members that scam newbros in recruitment channels. Not cool Manny, not cool.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2onm30/new_player_scammed_in_corp_recruitment_channel/

you are not fit to be on CSM until you clean up PL.


You're an absolute imbecile, I want you to know that.

He has absolutely nothing to do with that, for starters. Nevermind that, if I judged your alliance by how you behave, then I'd be doing them a disservice indeed, since I doubt they're all SJW wannabe moral crusader slime like you.

+1 to Manny, he's been on the ball with some things lately, and he basically called the jump range changes way before they actually happened.

[edit: Oh, yes, and a question.

If you had one, and only one issue you could really stand behind, what would it be, and why?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-12-09 02:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
manny understands that this game isn't a crappy playground for idiots and accepts that scamming - the fine art of separating the idiot from his pixels - is a tradition in eve, and an honourable profession choice

he has solidly earned his place on my ballot

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Lanctharus Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#74 - 2014-12-09 03:29:03 UTC
Well hello there!

My name is Lanctharus Onzo and I am one of the co-host and writers of the Cap Stable Podcast.

In early 2014 our podcast interviewed a great majority of the candidates for CSM9 and we will be doing the same for CSM10.

Here is our announcement: http://capstable.net/2014/12/01/council-of-stellar-management-x-call-for-candidate-interviews/

As we stated in the announcement, you can contact us to schedule your one on one interview via any of the following methods:

Email: podcast@capstable.net
Twitter: @CapStable
Or via our contact form

We look forward to speaking to you about your particular skill set and expertise in EVE Online and we hope you success in your candidacy.

Sincerely,

Lanctharus Onzo
Co-host & Writer of the Cap Stable Podcast
Military Director, Alea Iacta Est Universal

Executive Editor, CSM Watch || Writer, Co-host of the Cap Stable Podcast || Twitter: @Lanctharus
Insidious
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2014-12-09 05:10:46 UTC
0utbreak with a zero manny p.s. u got my vote <3
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#76 - 2014-12-09 05:45:44 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:


So again, please explain why you believe Manfred Sideous, CSM 10 Candidate, should have his candidacy revoked due to one of his co-members in Pandemic Legion partaking in an act of gameplay CCP endorse.



I never said manfred should have his candidacy revoked; I said, he is not fit. There is a difference, and dont put words in my mouth.

But i will humour you, as I understand what you are trying to say.

In my opinion, CSM representative should stand for 'good' things in EVE. Improving gameplay, reducing scamming, ganking, harassment, etc. Those that do not, by omission of leadership included, in my opinion, are not fit for CSM duty.

Simple explanation really. You may disagree of course, but it is your opinion against mine. We shall see how the votes pan out.


Is that why you're part of a corp that has scammers?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#77 - 2014-12-09 06:13:30 UTC
Not sure why the scamming hate for PL here. PL are mostly good guys, top notch pilots, and the vast majority of them are not involved in this stuff. A few bad apples? Sure. But nothing like the degree of scamming in Goons or the rest of the CFC. Being in the leadership of PL is certainly not disqualifying for being an asset to the game and being on CSM. I would definitely consider voting for Manny, but I'd like to here more about his thoughts on highsec (ganking, awoxxing, wardeccs, etc....). Any ideas?
Anderton Faln
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#78 - 2014-12-09 08:31:10 UTC
If you're not smart enough to not get scammed, you're not smart enough to play this game.
Laurew
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2014-12-09 11:01:29 UTC
Plus one manny good luck mate
Endie von Posts
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2014-12-09 13:16:20 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
No. your legion harbors members that scam newbros in recruitment channels. Not cool Manny, not cool.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2onm30/new_player_scammed_in_corp_recruitment_channel/

you are not fit to be on CSM until you clean up PL.


Vote for the man because of his own stance, his own actions and his own deeds, not because of what someone else in his alliance does or does not do. If you only elect people from alliances whose members never scam then you will end up with all the nullsec representatives from Provi and ETNY, and that might not be wholly representative.

Eve is a dark, exciting, dangerous place and scamming, piracy and all-round depravity have always been huge draws for the game. Like Manny, I don't scam due to having too much of a guilty conscience to be comfortable with it, but it is part of the game we all chose to play. You can't move in next door to a nightclub then complain of noise in the night.