EVE General Discussion

Good tip!

Boosts are one of the reasons the dojo idea was introduced at all. I don't know or care how they do it, but CCP need to find a way to implement something that allows for non-boosted non-logi 1v1 between two agreeing players. If it has to happen on SiSi that's fine, 3rd party sites cna make a SiSi killboard to support it

OK so it turns out I can fly a command ship already, just not up on all the modules.

Looking into the modules it appears that on two levels there is boosting. There is the "2 percent per level" stuff that I'm like "2 percent? Really? Big freaking deal" but when you get up in the link module use then it's going big.

So I can see what the deal is - someone all up on 5s in a command ship can be a serious boost.


As for it being "off grid" well... I can see why people complain about that. That's a lot of boost for something that does not have to be at risk. Imagine I could have a module that gives me serious tanking capability but I don't have to fit it, just leave it in a POS.


But we all know what's going to happen if a command ship must be on grid. It's going to get swarmed by bombers and suicide AF waves (if that's what's so important about it) and we'll be wishing this was a battleship hull instead of a battle cruiser.

So what I think is that if they kill OGB, they are going to have to change a lot of other things around it. It's more than just a "make it required to be on grid" and that could make them obsolete at the same time. The CS becomes part of "logistics chain".

Whatever the case, something has to be done about this.

So finally my 2 years old question on why "OGB nerf" favors larger gangs is answered in a way. Thank you.

Although I still doubt that most people who bring "OGB is a counter to blob" argument mean this. Kinda awkward to think that force multiplier favors small group more than large one which can very well have small group's equivalent in it.

That bugs me a lot.

OGB is a counter to smaller blob who don't run link for whatever reasons. The fun part is many of those groups not running link would if it was not a game of hide and seek off grid. I mean can you think of a fleet position more boring that sitting in a safe mashing D-SCAN while your fleet mate are having some action? You effectively need an alt and I'm guessing quite a lot of people just can't be arsed to have a second account on a game.

Like i tell everyone. You dont die because of boosts. You die because you use that abomination MWD. IF you were going to die you were going to die whether they had boosts or not is how i feel. I personally use boosts myself because people love to run away in this game when they realize they don't stand a chance in the fight. That boosted point really helps to snag the would be runners.

Also Im actually hoping for CCP to fix this so I can finally put a fork in this game and call myself done.

See, this is a problem that pops up over and over in this thread. People keep trying to compare apples to oranges, and don't keep the constants equal in a specific consideration.

No, boosting (in either form) isn't a counter to someone not running boosts. It becomes a whole different consideration when you go down this route. I mean what's next? We can say that a person flying a titan to act as backup for his friend is a counter to another person flying alone, therefore nerf titans? Keep the constants equal.

You're assuming the blob won't just have stacking boosters?

Eve has always been upfront about the need/advantage/benefit or alt accounts. So much so that when I open the launcher the second advertisement in the bottom right pane is for a sale on setting up alt accounts. So much so that, that advertisement has been there for almost 3 months.

If you enjoy your faction warfare but decide you want to branch out in another direction in the game - you should consider making that next step. Your timing is in cycle with a recent drop in plex prices so if you are active in game and finishing between 5-6 smalls a day you should be able to pay for your new account with in game currency after you have finished your cheap 3 month subscription.

In that case you would not be paying to win - but playing to win.

In regards to OGB; the point Destiny and others have been making is simply that if I land on grid with my 100 ships (110 ships with boosts factored in) and you have 50 (55 with boosts factored in) the first ship I will target will be your booster. I will melt your booster before/if you are able to melt mine. At that point the numbers change to 100 ships (110 ships with boosts factored in) against 49 ships. While 110 vs 55 is probably going to finish in an obvious fashion it is better than 110 vs 49. If the fleet was 30 vs 22 the possibly even fight could easily turn into a whitewash. Because of the obvious benefit of killing boosters first when holding superior numbers, that will be the default FC action until emergant play starts to emerge.

What emergent play can I see arriving?

Small gangs consisting of 4 Claymores 10 Gamurs 10 Scimitars. Maybe all the claymores will be boosters maybe there will be one serious boost with others providing DPS.

Small gate camps consisting of 10+ claymores + 3-4 Gamurs.

All tengu fleets - some tackle fit, one boost fit, some rail dps fit.

Delayed Warp Boosters. Yah we got ourselves a pretty even fight! Oh my god a tengu has just landed 195km behind them. I hope your aligned cause that tacklers point just grew by 30%.

Yes, a second account for a boosting alt helps you in a fight.
Nerf OGB.

A second account for a logi alt helps you in a fight.
Nerf logi.

A second account for a Falcon alt helps you in a fight.
Nerf Falcon.

A second account for a DPS alt helps you in a fight.
Nerf DPS.