EVE General Discussion

I'm not advocating for any kind of afk alt gameplay, and you don't seem to have any arguments for promoting that either. Yes, doing nothing, the alt giving boosts does nothing after the links are running.



Lol, guess you've never flown logi or EWAR or even spoken with anyone who really enjoys it. Flying a targeted link ship would be like that, except more challenging.



Yes you can provide the boosts to an entire fleet, just bring more boosters. For a small gang, one ship would be enough. Choosing who gets boosts based on their character age would be a really bad decision, and your fleet would most likely lose. A competent booster would actually send boosts to the ships that currently need them. Impractical and unrealistic, how exactly?



I have never whined about links being totally unfair, not in this thread or before. Try to focus. Do you think paying for a booster alt makes you entitled to keeping it? Anyway, keeping link toons in game is one of the goals of my suggestion. Making boosting an interesting role to play in fleet is part of what makes it a good suggestion.

Whenever I have seen a logi in pvp its in the thick of things. And it can be attacked and killed without leaving the fight.

I have never seen an OGB in the thick of things. And you cannot attack it without leaving the fight.

And that's where it falls apart.


Make the bonuses scale with proximity so they have to make a choice, get the full benefit by being on grid and risk losing the ship or get a small bonus but not on grid and be safe.

In the thick of things?

The example was a 1v1 frigate fight. Not that thick.

Mr Epeen

You argue like those dingbats that believe vaccines cause autism. Anybody that presents a solid fact-based argument that discredits or contradicts your woo-spew is either "trolling" or someone "being paid to say that".

It doesn't work for them, and it won't work for you.

Ok, let's say for arguments sake that we remove off-grid boosting

You're flying in your ship looking for a good, fun fight and you find your target and engage. One or more of several things will probably happen:

1. A booster ship warps in on grid and starts boosting (probably about 250km away). Given the increased risk to the boosting ship they will likely bring support as well.

2. A second ship will warp in - perhaps a logi or maybe another combat ship (probably more than one ship).

3. The ship you attack will light its cyno and oops, hotdropped!

Now for scenario 2 where we remove boosting altogether and we see again the likelihood of scenarios 2 and/or 3 above playing out.


Boosting provides an edge and it can be quite significant. Implants and correct skill training also provide an edge as does scouting and intelligence gathering (arguably a bigger edge here as you can find out your opponents likely fits and fit your ship accordingly).

I would like to see OGB changed but not removed.

I suggest:
1. Remove the capacity for ships with a booster fitted to use a cloak - mutually exclusive technology perhaps. This will lessen the likelihood of being surprised by the particular 1 v 1+1 situation you are concerned about so you can choose your battles wisely

2. Limit the range of gang links to say 400 - 500KM so grid-fu can readily (even accidentally) expose the boosting ship to immediate danger as well as facilitating finding them by D-Scan rather than forcing solo PvPers to train scanning skills (still highly recommended!) This may encourage the booster to warp and if my point below happens - cool, no more links until they can get back to an appropriate location. You can probably blap your opponent in that time.

3. Gang links unable to be used while warping thus preventing using bookmarks to warp the booster around the action at about 400KM while maintaining links the whole time.

4. Links should appear on Killmails so that you can learn a bit more about why you died. That was a great idea!

This should alleviate most of your concerns, right? While still allowing boosting ships to have an illusion of safety.

In a game like Eve with the vast majority of players working together, solo PvP will ALWAYS be dangerous as you never know who has friends nearby. Try flying with friends regardless of what changes are/are not made.

Lastly, have a good think about the way you'd like to see the mechanics and put together a well thought out submission and post it here. CCP reads these suggestions and if your arguments are solid believe me they do take things on board and implement them.

Boosting is a legitimate form of gameplay but it does need to be changed. Sitting just outside a station or a POS is not fair and has to be changed and the sooner the better - and yes, I have invested significant amounts of time into my leadership skills (> 5M sp)

It's annoying as hell when somebody you are trying to kill is doing it. It is very helpful when somebody is doing it for you. It is not risk free, it can be countered, it should stay in game.

Alt play is the experience that CCP has created, and not the players. The near requirement for alts has been an issue since day one. Going after boosters alone, when there are so many other gameplay elements that benefit from alt usage, is downright hypocritical. Perhaps we should add a little mini-game that Orca pilots need to play in order to be able to shove the ore that the barges mine into their fleet hangars? Or force mission-runners to salvage the wrecks on their combat ships by not allowing anyone else to enter the mission zone, and destroying all wrecks the first time you warp out?

Let's not hold one activity to a double standard.


Then maybe that's the issue that needs to be dealt with first, instead of throwing out the baby with the bathwater as the first course of action.

You and every other OGB detractor in this thread are making a habit out of moving the goalposts, setting up strawmen, and tossing red-herrings.

This argument is like a game of Calvinball. But, in the end, you're still wrong for a lot of reasons.
Even if CCP decides to remove OGB, in the end, your reasons are still pretty much all crap. You don't want to level the playing field.... you want to remove something you're not good at just so nobody else can have it. That's pisspoor sportsmanship.

Some of these Everyone-Gets-A-Trophy Generation kids just won't be happy until every combat ship is nerfed to oblivion, and it takes an hour to kill a T1 frigate.

I really think they're just mad because there are no cheat codes.

While solo and small gang frigate pvp might be a small part of the grand total of the pvp going on in new eden, it is quite a big part of the action you get in lowsec.

With this information it shoudln´t be suprising to you that the vocal guys here are playing in that area of our sandbox.