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While that is certainly true, a bit more BS rhetoric needs spread around. War is good for the economy is not likely to be a sustainable campaign platform.

Now I can certainly see why empires would be wanting to maintain the status quo, and capsuleers are always happy to oblige continuing on with blowing stuff up, but the reality is that things DO change, and the status quo isn't always possible to maintain. I certainly don't advocate immediate peace (or even peace at all), and wouldn't get rid of the FW mechanic, but I would like to see some cracks forming, maybe you hear about more pressure for peace from planetside groups, or maybe whatever is happening with the sleepers recently encourages the empires to dial things back to shore up defenses just in case.

Maybe FW could also get a bit of a change. It could certainly use more iteration, maybe add the ability to fly on behalf of pirate corporations. We certainly have enough third parties always taking advantage of FW for personal pew, maybe make it official and add new FW areas where pirate factions are fighting each other and/or trying to form a beachhead in empire space (on a related note I have heard numerous suggestions for sec status changing with sansha incusrions, allowing fw to control sec status would put more power in the player's hands). Maybe with things like the engagement between the minmatar and gallente navies, relations are chaffing between the two empires. You could have the alliance between the Republic and Federation break down, perhaps something happens between the State and Empire and relations break down there too, and the FW partners are swapped (so caldari and minmatar militias are now on the same side and amarr are flying with the gallente militia).


Anything really, I just like to see lore a bit less static, and more than that, I like to see the barriers between gameplay and lore reduced, make lore have more impact than just hints of upcoming content, but actually impact older aspects of eve, and have gameplay influence lore a bit more, and overall, make things happen so the universe seems more alive.

That and it is now so deeply rooted in the game economy that killing it would devastate entire portions of the community in terms of income, primary reason to play and industrial efforts.

No idea how to tackle it, but it seems more about changing the angle of the dig, rather than stopping the digging entirely. We're too deep and too steep to climb up now :S.

To elaborate on my somewhat terse reply - dodgy lore is being written to justify the continuation of badly designed, poorly-maintained game mechanics, which in turn is perpetuating the continuation of the badly designed, poorly-maintained game mechanics.

What should actually be happening is CCP should either be radically revising the game mechanics in question, or failing that, using the lore as a justification for removing them. If the lore dictates that a game mechanic should be gotten rid of? Get rid of it.

No, that'd still be bad lore because it's propping up an inherently unrealistic situation in which there's no believable, let alone realistic reason for the war to continue.

FW is broken as hell and we all know it - it's the job of the lore to highlight that, not to prop it up.

Except a specifically manufactured limited war is realistic. We see it in modern reality, and since EVE is about being Human with all the negative things that come with that along with the positives, makes perfect sense to fight a proxy war to keep a whole bunch of people distracted and cowed, and others become rich and happy on the proceeds.

What isn't believable is that this war is being kept going with no visible forces acting on it. Which is where the news needs to include incidents that capsuleers can see are probably manufactured but Joe Public believes are enemy action.

Or FW could reduce in scope obviously to match the current lack of news.

But it does not make it bad lore for CCP to say that there are forces in each government who are making a profit from a proxy war. And who like that profit.

Are we really doing this? Are you really going to sink this low?

This I great, and in my opinion desirable, but way more tricky than it sounds. The problem isn't the peace process. The problem is removing a core game feature of EVE Online, Fac War. You can't bring about peace in this situation. Just like Nation is locked into this silly Forever Incursion.

If you know a way to establish Peace In Our Times without removing core game features, let us know.

There are pretty major problems with FW / Lore and the whole suspension of disbelief concept. I think Andreus is perhaps too harsh, but there's definitely validity there as well.

I think Pirate vs Empire FW makes a lot more sense than the current game mechanics being kept on life support until the EVE severs shut down. It makes much more sense that the Empires would be engaged in long intractable conflict with Pirate factions within Low Security space than being in never ending conflict with each other. I think realistically the Empires would find cause to return to a more settled state of Cold War with an occasional skirmish here and there as it was Pre Empyrean Age.