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Jenshae Chiroptera

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#1 - 2014-11-27 06:32:52 UTC

Meta 2 :
Remote Shield Booster - CPU 126 tf - PGU 75 000 MW - activation cost 1500 GJ - shield bonus 1650 HP
Remote Armour Booster - CPU 36 tf - PGU 150 000 MW - activation cost 1350 GJ - armour repair 1650 HP

So, shield boost has half the PGU requirement but nearly 4x the CPU needed and has a higher activation cost than the armour one, while they both give the same repairs.

Meta 2:
Shield Booster - 270 tf - PGU 75 000 MW - activation cost 2400 GJ - shield bonus 7920 HP/10s = 790HP/s
Armour Repair - 36 tf - PGU 150 000 MW - activation cost 1350 GJ - armour repair 1650 HP/5s = 330 HP/s

Now, we can agree that once again CPU is disproportionate on shield boosters and the activation cost is high but in this instance we could say that It is getting 790HP/s for 2400 while 2700 GJ is needed to get only 660HP for armour.

The problem is that you can control your armour boosts and cap usage with two repair modules. The shield boost can't be cut or divided down.
So, sheild carriers are capacitor starve and then you start thinking about Guardians and Basilisk and try make a fit. Again you can't get enough power to do anything because of the activation costs.

Crunching it all down, I can fit everything I would need and to be able to run it all, the only thing I need is:

Each Minmatar Carrier Level = +7.6 Remote Capacitor Bonus.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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HandelsPharmi

Pharmi on CharBazaar

Oskar's Food and Sleep Company

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#2 - 2014-11-27 06:50:41 UTC | Edited by: HandelsPharmi

A Thanatos has 60 TJ (60.000 GJ) of capacitor
the Nidhoggur 55 TJ...

BUT if you train Nidhoggur to level 4 (Minmatar Carrier 4) you will receive + 30 % repaired amount

Chimera and Nidhoggur have nearly the same capacitor as well... (55 TJ vs. 56.5 TJ)
But can fit a shieldbooster ONLY, the Nidhoggur has more cap but has the option to decide which kind of self repair it wants :)

Your remote repair is better, your self defence is not depending on that diffrence in capacitor.
If you fit an additional Power Diagnostic Unit in the Nid`s lowslot, you will have better cap recharge and cap capacity than a Chimera...

Jenshae Chiroptera

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#3 - 2014-11-27 07:15:10 UTC

I was trying to come up with an interesting solution that would make shield capital fleets as popular as armour ones. Crunching just one ship flying with two others took me a long time. What?

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Tineoidea Asanari

Liga Freier Terraner

Northern Coalition.

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#4 - 2014-11-27 07:51:45 UTC

The only change needed to make shield capital fleets more viable would be by resetting the game. The meta was built around armor capitals, then the shield capitals got buffed. Currently a Chimera or Wyvern has more EHP and DPS than their Amarr/Gallente counterparts. Not 100% sure about the EHP with the amarrian ships, but they should be at least close to each other. For exampel, a Chimera outdamages a Nidhoggur (and Archon) by 67% more DPS.

The strong part about Minmatar carriers is their capability of fielding the best repair tools. Their strength lies not within their power to dominate the battlefield (even tho they are useful here, too) but more in their power of repairing stuff, like POS, Sov Structures, etc.

We dont need every ship to be as often used as every other ship. We dont need every ship to fulfill the same role. We need for every role a ship and in their specific role the Minmatar carriers are better than everyone else.


Jenshae Chiroptera Likes received: 2,645	#5 - 2014-11-27 08:23:04 UTC Would it not help if there were shield type Slave Implants? Minmatars would like to fight also CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids Not even once EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Anhenka

The New Federation

Sigma Grindset

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#6 - 2014-11-27 08:28:26 UTC

Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:

Would it not help if there were shield type Slave Implants?

Minmatars would like to fight also

No. Stat wise, shield capitals are already superior to armor capitals in just about every way, even when comparing a full HG slave supercap against a shield cap with no similar implants. And numbers for X type+ fit shield supercaps get absolutely silly during OH.

The main reason armor caps and supercaps are the norm is because there is literally dozens of TRILLIONS of isk worth of armor Scaps floating around, and any attempt to run both armor and shield scaps in the same group means that you blunt the effectiveness of your support carriers that are there to rep and screen your supers.

Cleaning Crew 291
Andrew Indy Cleaning Crew Likes received: 291	#7 - 2014-11-27 08:37:55 UTC You have to remember that shields boost at the start of the cycle, if Shields were are efficient as Armor then why bother with Armor at all. Most large Fleet fights are all about Alpha or at the very least killing things before Reps. Armor gives you 5 seconds more time to blap them.