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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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CCP Random
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1181 - 2014-11-26 11:27:13 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
To all those who intend to 'bend' the rules regarding ISboxer

It is good to see that gambling has been taken to a new level: my ability to circumvent the rules, bets that CCP will not be able to tell and perma ban my zillion accounts.

High stakes indeed.


I recommend to rethink this approach. It is detectable for us.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#1182 - 2014-11-26 11:29:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
CCP Random wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
To all those who intend to 'bend' the rules regarding ISboxer

It is good to see that gambling has been taken to a new level: my ability to circumvent the rules, bets that CCP will not be able to tell and perma ban my zillion accounts.

High stakes indeed.


I recommend to rethink this approach. It is detectable for us.

Can you also detect someone using mouse drivers to send multiple commands with one button? We've been asking this for many, many pages now.

Robert Caldera wrote:
you try to back up your pro-isbotter attitude by false positives? I dont care, because I'm sure threre wont be that many.

Being "sure" about something isn't equivalent to science. Until CCP confirms that they can differentiate between legit key presses and software input of any type, it's just wishful thinking on your part.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Maneila Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1183 - 2014-11-26 11:29:29 UTC
Airi Cho wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
Does this apply to inventory management within the same station?

For example... I occasionally go on a ship giveaway binge where I'll fit up several dozen frigs / destroyers, fill their cargo with the skills needed to fly them, and then give them out in newbie systems.

Obviously click dragging a dozen items one by one is tedious in the extreme and any automation would be a godsend.

Is it acceptable to load up a bunch of accounts at once and use broadcasting to speed up this process?


saved fittings dude.

just saying.


***DONT TELL HIM ALL THE GOOD SECRETS OF EVE, damn you, now everybody knows that you can fit with ONE Click out of the Fitting Window*** :D :D :D

Outnumbered, Outgunned You have the Choice *Overheat your MWD and fly directly into the enemy pack with Guns blazing...and then, that silent moment only one Server Tick away...

"CYNO UP, CYNO UP - JUMP JUMP JUMP - Primary is ..."

*A BRAVE HERO
Josef Djugashvilis
#1184 - 2014-11-26 11:30:16 UTC
CCP Random wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
To all those who intend to 'bend' the rules regarding ISboxer

It is good to see that gambling has been taken to a new level: my ability to circumvent the rules, bets that CCP will not be able to tell and perma ban my zillion accounts.

High stakes indeed.


I recommend to rethink this approach. It is detectable for us.


Just for clarity, I would not recognize an ISboxer if I fell over one.

My post was aimed at the many folk who have posted saying that they intend to get around the new rules.

This is not a signature.
Hulasikali Walla
Brave Nubs
#1185 - 2014-11-26 11:31:58 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Quick question, not sure if it has been answered but here I go.

What about keyboard / mouse key mapping?

For example I have a Logitech G710+ so I am able to map multiple keys just to 1.

I am sure that many Eve players do the same thing so is this still allowed?

For a very quick example, I can map all the keyboard shortcuts to overload certain modules to 1 key.


From what I understand it's ok to have keybinding has long has you don't broacast the command to multiple sessions of EvE

Correct me if I'm wrong

I personaly use a G15 + G5, with a few key-binding, doing a lot of Alt-tabbing.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1186 - 2014-11-26 11:34:19 UTC
I, Cannibal Kane, Approve this change.

On a more serious note.

Never had an issue with gankers or miners using ISKboxer to automate functions. Did not effect me.

Still think it is a good change though since it forces people to work closely even more. Combine that with the proposed "no shooting corp mates" means people might actually be more willing to do thing together in their shiny ships.

All that means for me... I have more active wartargets in big ships.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1187 - 2014-11-26 11:36:45 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
RUS Comannder wrote:
The author of IS Boxer was on Redditt early today or yesterday, and stated he would write in a stop for any game violating behavior and it would be applied when you choose the game you are going to play. And no, you cannot pick WOW and then play Eve.

In my line of work unemployment, this is commonly known as an "externality."


This is why so many of us like Isboxer so much. Because the developer makes us feel comfortable that we are not violating the EULA by using it. I'll have to shoot him a tell later thanking him for the change. This should go a long way toward keeping users happy.
Oraac Ensor
#1188 - 2014-11-26 11:37:55 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
Querns wrote:
Bethan Le Troix wrote:

Wouldn't it be clearer and better just to say all use of ISBoxer & similar software is against the EULA and have done with it ??

ISBoxer isn't the only software that allows input multiplexing. Banning ISBoxer outright as the sole action of the change would just make everyone move over to another brand of software that does the same thing.


Well obviously all types of software that do the same activity would be banned. Don't split hairs.

He isn't splitting hairs - he just didn't bother to read your post properly.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#1189 - 2014-11-26 11:38:04 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
All that means for me... I have more active wartargets in big ships.

Who still won't undock for you to shoot them.

Hey, do you really think that if CCP's willing to get rid of awoxing and small-op freighter ganks in a single patch, that something like war isn't headed for the chopping block as well?

I thought you were smarter than that.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#1190 - 2014-11-26 11:38:28 UTC
I currently have two main ISBoxer/bot mining fleets I am trying to move on from a system. One comprises two corps with three members & and about a dozen respectively. The other one is a hardcore ISBoxer with eighteen accounts in NPC corps that all log on like a machine gun within milliseconds of each other.

They will both be getting a nasty shock come the new year. I can't wait........... Twisted
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1191 - 2014-11-26 11:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
All that means for me... I have more active wartargets in big ships.

Who still won't undock for you to shoot them.

Hey, do you really think that if CCP's willing to get rid of awoxing and small-op freighter ganks in a single patch, that something like war isn't headed for the chopping block as well?

I thought you were smarter than that.


It not about being smart... it is just that I do not care. EVE is not that high of a priority in my life that it matters enough for me to start throwing my toys out my cot.

It is a game I play, the minute the game becomes something I cannot play the way I would like or I cannot adapt to a change I move on. it really is that simple.

If I cannot wardec anymore, I will move to low. Something I am already considering.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
CCP Random
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1192 - 2014-11-26 11:47:19 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Random
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Can you also detect someone using mouse drivers to send multiple commands with one button? We've been asking this for many, many pages now.


Yes. To quote the initial post:

Quote:

We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.


The scope of this is controlling multiple accounts at the same time (in a semi-automated fashion which uses your input actions multiple times) for actions with meaning to EVE. The means you apply to archive this do not matter at all.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#1193 - 2014-11-26 11:49:03 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
It not about being smart... it is just that I do not care. EVE is not that high of a priority in my life that it matters enough for me to start throwing my toys out my cot.

It is a game I play, the minute the game becomes something I cannot play the way I would like or I cannot adapt to a change I move on. it really is that simple.

If I cannot wardec anymore, I will move to low. Something I am already considering.

If you didn't "care," you wouldn't be playing it to begin with. Your presence alone indicates the presence of some degree of caring. And the fact that you care conflicts with your expressed support for bad gameplay changes, at least from the perspective of a high-sec pvper.

So it's either you're lying, or you actually want the game to fail.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#1194 - 2014-11-26 11:53:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
CCP Random wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Can you also detect someone using mouse drivers to send multiple commands with one button? We've been asking this for many, many pages now.


Yes.

This is amazingly troubling. What do you have running on our systems, now? This, combined with the fact that I recently noticed that the standalone EVE client is asking permission to hook to the Steam client if it's running (and in a very covert way, too; it literally won't start up without being given said permission), makes me think it's time to start running EVE in a VM with everything spoofed to hell and back.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Femerov
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1195 - 2014-11-26 11:53:39 UTC
finally :)
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1196 - 2014-11-26 11:56:13 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
It not about being smart... it is just that I do not care. EVE is not that high of a priority in my life that it matters enough for me to start throwing my toys out my cot.

It is a game I play, the minute the game becomes something I cannot play the way I would like or I cannot adapt to a change I move on. it really is that simple.

If I cannot wardec anymore, I will move to low. Something I am already considering.

If you didn't "care," you wouldn't be playing it to begin with. Your presence alone indicates the presence of some degree of caring. And the fact that you care conflicts with your expressed support for bad gameplay changes, at least from the perspective of a high-sec pvper.

So it's either you're lying, or you actually want the game to fail.


I think you put to much emphasis on the word care. Or you are to emotionally invested in EVE.

I play EVE to relax when I get back home from work. I chose EVE over other MMO's because I like space and I like shooting at stuff. No doubt I invested money in EVE to play it, but that is because I enjoy it. I spend money on things I enjoy and at that time, EVE was the only real contender for my money. More contenders are brewing though...

Change is inevitable, I will adapt or I will move to the next best thing.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#1197 - 2014-11-26 12:00:30 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Change is inevitable, I will adapt or I will move to the next best thing.

So in your eyes, the only two options are adaptation or quitting, and not something like, say, trying to influence the product's direction in terms of development? That's pretty bleak.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#1198 - 2014-11-26 12:09:32 UTC
Just look at them speculating
As the one who's been watching market speculations for a while, I can tell this is just a few notches away from B-R5RB aftermath.
Though I'm half convinced this is just a "burn jita" variation born from the goon tears, which are flowing into this thread faster than I can read it, because, let's face it, it's not happened yet. You still have 5 weeks to go, and your blue donut cheat fleet is going to generate a trillion in the meantime, which would plex you (after miners unsub) for about 10 years once plex speculation dust settles.
So step on exploiting, not on tear-posting.

On a second thought, how is the plex price going to drop if goon bot fleet trillions keep it inflated?

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Lt Huunuras
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1199 - 2014-11-26 12:17:26 UTC
Only the function of "Input Broadcasting" and "Input Multiplexing" will be banned.
So the function to cut out pieces of your game and build up your own overlay is LEGAL to the given facts.

Cool, nothing changed... i like it. Good Move :)
Sacu Shi
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#1200 - 2014-11-26 12:18:36 UTC
All those people who are complaining about this change and who are saying such things as 'bye', 'I'm leaving and taking my alts with me...', 'Back to WoW'.

Can I please haz your stuffs?