EVE General Discussion

Actually i this is a email I sent to CCP Eterne earlier today about this very subject. I sent the note to him after he did a nice job of closing a forum which what degenerated into a lot misstatements and probab ly some down right intentional mistruths which just supported the person's position. This was happening on both sides of the issue, so it was certainly time to shut it down. I'm trying to get this in before that happens here, as many incorrect statements are being made already.

Hi,

I just read your statement at the end of a closed forum started by a guy who petitioned some use of IS Boxer.  I thank you for your sanity and tact.

I believe one of the last posters hit the nail on the head and I want to reaffirm it and ask you to forward this to the ones who keep this topic under review.

Key cloning is simply allowing a single player to operate every account paid for by that single person with the same speed as if each account were being played by a single person.  It allows a person to get full value for each of their subscriptions; every subscription can perform the action desired by the player at the precise time the player desires that action to occur.

(edited in - there are no bots - none)

In a different view, five players paying five subscriptions playing one character each can mine faster than one player paying for five subscriptions can mine with five characters.  The single player payinf for five accounts is at a disadvantage to the five single players.  Key cloning levels the playing field for the player who pays for five subscriptions when competing with the five players paying for one subscriptions each.

If the skills, modules, implants, links, and fleet boosts are all equal for a really oversized sized fleet (but used for comparison) of  20 players paying for 20 subscriptions playing one character each are compared to one player another ridiculous possiblity and not anything I would ever trust doing) paying for 20 subscriptions for a fleet of 20 multiboxed characters and is able to play each character with an equal use of each subscription, the two fleets will have a very similar yield after a given period of time. Multiboxing does not affect cycles times or warp speeds, In fact, if both fleets use the same method of hauling the ore to station and returning, the fleet with twenty persons will probably have the advantage.  The haulers for the 20 person fleet will have 20 (presumably) brains to keep track of what needs to be hauled and when while the single player will have a single brain to keep track of the hauling as nothing is automated or on a timer, but operated by the direct input using mouse/keyboard.

I think the real issue here is some players are butt hurt that some other players individual wallets get fatter quicker; but that is the basic tenet of Eve, ISK vs RISK. 

A single player has a better chance of not having a loss if a ganker appears and kills one two ships from that fleet as the rest bug out to different celestials .  The multiboxed fleet owner will always suffer losses to a ganker who appears in the fleet area as it is very difficult to align 20 multiboxed ships and then have them depart together to a single celestial without a lot of bumping and banging so a sufficiently large and swift-killing host of gankers using neuts or webs can take down the whole multiboxed fleet before concorde can intervene.  Again, it is an unlikely example but one I fear many people see as happening all the time. It may be happening in some instances, but that possiblilty is way above my level.

I only have 12 accounts and primarily use IS Boxer to log in and do things like clear the mail cache.  I use fleet commands for travel movements and most other multiple character activities.  Honestly, using four toons each with their overview having just the ore for each miner's crystal, it is too much of a headache to multibox and keep up with changing filters, moving the ship with the fewer kern roids to mine and to keep in range.  There are options on IS boxer I don't use, because I'm not a coder and the instructions are not non-coder friendly.  So instead of setting up the fleet with a unique to task overview for each ship with a different task, I just set up one overview with all items so I can hop from one character to another and pick what I want that one to do.  Some players are more efficient with the construction of the framework so each character will do the task the player wants done when the player presses the key or clicks the mouse. Being on the cusp of turning 68, my bucket is not deep enough to add that to the list.

On the other side of this, I am at a disadvantage of getting my subscription worth of play, even though I plex, it is evident that many people don't know that is not playing for free and taking money out of Eve's pocket, but really someone else who sells me a plex they paid 20 bux for is used by me to pay my 15 buck subscription so Eve wins.

Thank you,
All the Random Tremor Members or just me

    

While 'Input Broadcasting' is a valid rule, the term 'Input Multiplexing' seems to disallow what I'm assuming should still be a valid use case; one (or more) input source demux'ed to one of multiple possible channels based on user input (aka multiboxing across several clients with input always restricted to a single client at the time)

HELL YEAH
Huge props for having balls to get a real fix for the real issue.
Not a band-aid, like jump fatigue.
And not solving imaginary problem, like removing clone costs.
No.
This time, it's a good job.

Yes I'm cut, people need to have a cry because they suck and need to ruin this game for people that have actually made it over the last 10 years. If you don't like people using is-boxer don't go into systems where there are 30 people with similar names, its a dead give away that something bad might happen. If you think its unfair that some people pay 30 billion ISK a month to plex their accounts to have this privilege well you also suck.

Is-Boxer is fair everybody can use it. If you don't it means you cant expect to solo people that do. Get some more friends and come back with a bigger fleet. I love how 1 person can pawn a whole fleet it makes you fell good. CCP stop killing the fun.

After making several past threads on the isboxing issue I am glad to see that CCP are finally doing the right thing.

It's akin to botting because the effects are the same and that isboxer supports argument is based only on a technicality. While we're bound to see a reduction in accounts from some heavy isboxer users, it can only be good for the game in the long run. The current situation was out of hand and was only worsening.

That kind of quote makes me laugh

If you require third party software to play EVE then perhaps EVE isn't for you. Either play within the rules like the rest of us or leave. Due to your attidude from your post I say good riddance to you.

I laugh at people with 5 accounts who claim they will quit because of this. Why do you need software to multibox such a small number of accounts? I do ganks on more than that at once, manually, I don't require "special" help to play the game. It is possible to use each window manually you know. It just requires effort, but I suppose you need extra help to make it all easy for you.

LOL...

Remember: Live is what you have when the PC is OFF and and the bright sunlight is not a near-death experience.

that that...tha... ok, THAT IS FUNNY

A long time ago when I started playing in 2004, no one knew this game would be around for long, so I specialized players to trade, to mine to pvp and to build. There was no Eve approved way to move one character to a different account, not even between accounts I owned hange one character to another account so you could eventually have three specially trained characters who only need to be played for a few minutes each week or so could not be done, as only one character could train at a time and you could not train one up and then add it to another account and just logon and logoff to whichever of them was needed. You could not train more than one character per account at a time, and 15 bucks for an account is nothing to me. If I had full use of the limbs I still have, my monthly eve costs would not cover one green's fee where I used to play several time a week. Even though Ebay was then full of ships, characters and accounts, it was against the rules and I am a rule follower, not breaker.

Now that they all have 150mil to 200mil of SP, they can all do just about anything. Besides, I like funneling out 9 shiny Machs, two Scimis with perfect training and and a booster command ship with 7 links all hot at the same time with all leadership skill at 5, and of course, they all have the most complementary implants in all 10 slots to match their tasks, and then to just take them around the block and find a new player whorking hard who never asks for anything and bestow a little scholarship on he or she to help them along. But a hard and fast rule is never to anyone who asks for it, but meets their obstacles head on and works to adapt and overcome.

So in the interest of time savings and meeting the tasks needed to be a well rounded player, I built a corp for myself, while having one player in a corp with 70 or so other friends.

Let me see if there is anything about you I can laugh about - oh wait, I don't do that.